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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:07 PM
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I'm seeing alot of the same questions and concerns about how to see what strategy code you have and whether or not it is ain fact VXCF9....If you have an SCT programmer device...you can read the strategy code then you will know...or if you have a friend who has a programmer have them plug in and read your strategy code (having someone plug into your OBDII port to read your strategy code does nothing to your PCM...its readinng only not writing...they would have to unlock there device iot make this happen, and they wouldn't do that. Another option is to drive down to your local performance shop....there are literally tons of them around...should be able to find one in your area. If you know them great...just ask them to ready your strategy code...just like going to Advance auto to get your DTCs read and cleared...if you don't know them...just stop by anyway nad ask one of them about this SCT tuner you've heard so much about and that you would like to know what your strategy code is and if they would demo the device for you and read your strategy code..Once you realize whether you have VXCF9 or not...then go from there as to whether you have the latest TSB calibration update flash.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:12 PM
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And another thing...the dealer doesn't receive IDS updates automatically...they have to force the replication (download) for the latest IDS version (which is now 65.01 as of Jan 10th)...if they claim that it is plugged in, so the updates are auto...then they are not updated. Ask them to show you the screen and tell you which version they are on.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MoyockPowerstroke
Tim, this exact thiong happened to me...turned out the tech only reflashed the FICM (there standard practice at that dealer) where in the past that always updated the PCM/TCM updates as well...He did not force the flash in accordance with the TSB or he didn't have the latest IDFS version 65.01 now. Needless to say...after the FICM flash, mine too started better and seemed to run smooth....only I didn't get the key features or benefits from the TSB update so I went back and sure enough...wala...VXCF9. Now I get the Turbo vane sweep sound (so I know thats working)...and the additonal DTCs. I'd go back and ask for a re-pop.
Thanks for the clarification. At least I don't have the "killer" anymore. I'll have to do that when I get some $$$ as I only worked one day this week, another 20+ inches of snow yest and I broke the plow mount off the plow this morning. Now I gotta get in line to get my plow fixed before the next snowstorm Mon After 40+ inches in 6 days I have nowhere to push the snow, my driveway is one blade wide.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by D8chumley
Thanks for the clarification. At least I don't have the "killer" anymore. I'll have to do that when I get some $$$ as I only worked one day this week, another 20+ inches of snow yest and I broke the plow mount off the plow this morning. Now I gotta get in line to get my plow fixed before the next snowstorm Mon After 40+ inches in 6 days I have nowhere to push the snow, my driveway is one blade wide.
Wow, that is just crazy...can't believe the winter we're having. I wouldn't re-pay for the re-pop. Just explain that it is not uncommon (at least for this latest flash) to not receive the update the first time. Its happening alot lately (it seems)...when you get the chance, verify your strat code...if you have VXCF9...then you're as good as it gets...if not...then I would explain to them that you know for sure that you don't have it and ask them to verify their IDS version. Should be 65.01.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MoyockPowerstroke
Wow, that is just crazy...can't believe the winter we're having.
I know what you mean we're supposed to have 3-4" of snow on the ground in Montgomery, AL tommorrow. Who'd thunk it.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 12:00 PM
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I know what you mean we're supposed to have 3-4" of snow on the ground in Montgomery, AL tommorrow. Who'd thunk it.
I'd kiss somebodys **** in Macys window if we only got 3-4"! I understand, maybe down there you guys might think thats alot, but we got 2 storms in 6 days with 20+ inches both times. And now I have a half plowed driveway and no plow. We're supposed to get another storm Mon, I just hope they get the A-frame on my plow welded back together by then or I'm stuck indoors! We set a record this past storm for here, I think we're close to 80" for the season so far. I need some warmth and sunshine to melt this away. OR, maybe Max will bring that JD with that AWESOME snowblower over and help me out, LOL!
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:00 PM
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ok, just got off the phone with the ford tech. he says they have the IDS version 65.04. he says all trucks have different strategies for different vin #'s. my truck is a 2004 f250 6.0l. says he will reflash the truck and show me everything he can do to upload the new calibration.

does the tsb 9-24-3 and or strategy vxcf9n4 flash the pcm/tcm or ficm, or all the above? can they force the new strategy to the pcm or will the truck only take whatever the newest strategy is? who here has an 04 that has had this update done and received the update(just in case they tell me that my current pcm file VXAP2N2 is the newest calibration again)?

i am going in on monday for them to reflash, but wanted to get as much info so i don't walk out of the dealer without the proper updates.

thanks in advance.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:06 PM
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ok, just got off the phone with the ford tech. he says they have the IDS version 65.04. he says all trucks have different strategies for different vin #'s. my truck is a 2004 f250 6.0l. says he will reflash the truck and show me everything he can do to upload the new calibration.

does the tsb 9-24-3 and or strategy vxcf9n4 flash the pcm/tcm or ficm, or all the above? can they force the new strategy to the pcm or will the truck only take whatever the newest strategy is? who here has an 04 that has had this update done and received the update(just in case they tell me that my current pcm file VXAP2N2 is the newest calibration again)?

i am going in on monday for them to reflash, but wanted to get as much info so i don't walk out of the dealer without the proper updates.

thanks in advance.
I got the newest flash on my 03 a couple of weeks ago. It is a friend of mine that did it. I was with him while the flash was going on. Only my ficm needed to be updated. The PCM and TCM showed no updates. My oasis is clean except for a flash done back in 2008.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rufast
ok, just got off the phone with the ford tech. he says they have the IDS version 65.04. he says all trucks have different strategies for different vin #'s. my truck is a 2004 f250 6.0l. says he will reflash the truck and show me everything he can do to upload the new calibration.

does the tsb 9-24-3 and or strategy vxcf9n4 flash the pcm/tcm or ficm, or all the above? can they force the new strategy to the pcm or will the truck only take whatever the newest strategy is? who here has an 04 that has had this update done and received the update(just in case they tell me that my current pcm file VXAP2N2 is the newest calibration again)?

i am going in on monday for them to reflash, but wanted to get as much info so i don't walk out of the dealer without the proper updates.

thanks in advance.
Take a look at this, maybe it will answer some of your questions.

TSB 09-24-3 6.0L DIESEL CALIBRATION UPDATE - VARIOUS ISSUES

Publication Date: November 20, 2009

FORD: 2003-2005 Excursion
2003-2007 F-Super Duty
2004-2010 E-Series


This article supersedes TSB 9-7-11 to update the model years covered and Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) calibration level.

ISSUE:
Some 2003-2007 F-Super Duty vehicles, 2003-2005 Excursions and 2004-2010 E-Series vehicles, equipped with a 6.0L diesel engine may exhibit hard start, no start, white smoke, lack of power, running rough condition after cold engine start up, or diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0404, P0470, P0611, P1260 and/or P1378 issues. Refer to the Calibration Content for information detailing specific vehicle content by vehicle application and model year that is being addressed by this calibration update.

This article includes previously released calibration content that improves injector performance in cold engine operation and additional diagnostic capabilities and product protection strategy enhancements. These enhancements provide additional diagnostic capabilities, adds additional new DTCs and engine protection strategies. Refer to the Calibration Content for additional details. See the appropriate Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnostic (PC/ED) manual for technical descriptions and diagnostic routines associated with new DTCs.

ACTION:
Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) using IDS release 63.13 and higher or 64.01 and higher. The transmission control module (TCM) and fuel injector control module (FICM) , will automatically update if they are not at the latest calibration level. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2009.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES.

CALIBRATION CONTENT

Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration following Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 418-01.

The PCM and FICM calibration update contains improvement actions to address the following symptoms:

2005 F-Super Duty 6.0L:

False DTC P0470 - Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 - Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high engine oil temperature (EOT) conditions or high engine coolant temperature (ECT) are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM vehicle power (VPWR) parameter identifier (PIDS) is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2006-2007 F-Super Duty 6.0L:

False DTC P0404 - EGR performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2005-2007 And 2009-2010 E-Series 6.0L:

False DTC P0470 Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 EGR Performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2008 E-Series 6.0L:

False DTC P0470 - Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 - EGR performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
False P1260 induced during cranking due to low battery voltage.
Generic on-board diagnostics (OBD) improvements including; Mode 1, Mode 2, Mode 4 and J1699 OBD data test results as reported to the service tool.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
Previous released calibration content included in IDS software release 48.2 or higher for: 2003-2007 F-Super Duty, 2003-2005 Excursion and 2004-2008 E-Series 6.0L diesel equipped vehicles:

White smoke, lack of power, running rough condition after cold engine start up due to injector spool valve sticking internally during cold engine operation.
No start/hard start when accompanied with DTC P0611 (FICM Performance), P1378 (FICM System Voltage Low) and/or all eight (8) injector circuit codes.
The new calibration changes the frequency of injector spool valve shuttling under certain conditions and will sound differently from previously released versions.

WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
092403A 2004-2010 Econoline, 2003-2007 F-Super Duty, 2003-2005 Excursion 6.0L: Check For DTCs And Reprogram The PCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 0.6 Hr.

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BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
RECALEM 04
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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thanks Sark, i have read that. so i see you have an 04 with the new flash. just getting all info needed to be able to tell the "ford experts" at the dealer i want the new file since they keep telling me they can only do what is available for my specific truck.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:52 PM
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I got the newest flash on my 03 a couple of weeks ago. It is a friend of mine that did it. I was with him while the flash was going on. Only my ficm needed to be updated. The PCM and TCM showed no updates. My oasis is clean except for a flash done back in 2008.
Ahh...you too were only provided the FICM update...which usually updates the PCM/TCM (if updates are available at the time of the flash)...except this TSB...specifically calls for...

ACTION:
Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) using IDS release 63.13 and higher or 64.01 and higher. The transmission control module (TCM) and fuel injector control module (FICM) , will automatically update if they are not at the latest calibration level. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2009.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES.

CALIBRATION CONTENT

Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration following Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 418-01.

Unless they ensure the PCM/TCM are updated ...you did not get the latest flash...and as mentioned several times throughout numerous posts...you can verify this yourself by simply reading yout strat code via a SCT programmer. If you don't know what strat code you have, then you don't know it was performed. I knew I started with VXCF7 and after the first attempt, I still had VXCF7...guess what...I got a little smarter...took the TSB in hand hand and showed them...I actually hooked up my SCT in front of both the service advisor and tech to show them my before flash strat code (vxcf7)...and then while I was waiting in the lobby, the tech came to me to say, "I don't know what happened last time...for some reason it only updated the FICM...this time it worked...he even went on to say that he used my SCT to verify that I had the new strat code of VXCF9...without me even being in the bay...so much for my warranty since these guys know for sure I have a tuner.lol Get your strat code checked....its the only way you're going to know if you got what you paid for....just my 2 cents.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MoyockPowerstroke
Ahh...you too were only provided the FICM update...which usually updates the PCM/TCM (if updates are available at the time of the flash)...except this TSB...specifically calls for...

ACTION:
Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) using IDS release 63.13 and higher or 64.01 and higher. The transmission control module (TCM) and fuel injector control module (FICM) , will automatically update if they are not at the latest calibration level. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2009.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES.

CALIBRATION CONTENT

Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration following Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 418-01.

Unless they ensure the PCM/TCM are updated ...you did not get the latest flash...and as mentioned several times throughout numerous posts...you can verify this yourself by simply reading yout strat code via a SCT programmer. If you don't know what strat code you have, then you don't know it was performed. I knew I started with VXCF7 and after the first attempt, I still had VXCF7...guess what...I got a little smarter...took the TSB in hand hand and showed them...I actually hooked up my SCT in front of both the service advisor and tech to show them my before flash strat code (vxcf7)...and then while I was waiting in the lobby, the tech came to me to say, "I don't know what happened last time...for some reason it only updated the FICM...this time it worked...he even went on to say that he used my SCT to verify that I had the new strat code of VXCF9...without me even being in the bay...so much for my warranty since these guys know for sure I have a tuner.lol Get your strat code checked....its the only way you're going to know if you got what you paid for....just my 2 cents.
When he hooked up the lap top the first thing he did was check to see what needed to be flashed. The pcm and tcm both showed no flashes available, only the ficm had one. I dont have access to a SCT tuner so I have no real way of knowing what I have.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by utjer
When he hooked up the lap top the first thing he did was check to see what needed to be flashed. The pcm and tcm both showed no flashes available, only the ficm had one. I dont have access to a SCT tuner so I have no real way of knowing what I have.
Its my understanding (hopefully someone in the business will come along and answer more accurately) that this PCM calibration has to be forced unlike prior flashes..iot for the TSB to be effectively accomplished...how that is done ..I don't know. You can call the Tech at my dealership...he seen the light the second time around...maybe he could explain to your friend what needs to be done. It has also been mentioned that if you don't have your own SCT tuner, then borrow a buddies or stop by a Performance shop...they will help you out...just ask them if they can read your strat code for you.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 04:01 AM
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New flash - TSB 09-24-3

I have read the TSB and I since a list of things that it does for 2005 Super Duty's and 2006 - 2007 but nothing for 2003 - 2004. I have a 2004 Super Duty and have an appointment at my dealer tomorrow to apply this update to my truck. However, since the update does not indicate any benefits to 2003 - 2004 Super Duty am I wasting my money or will this give me some benefits?
 
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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I have read the TSB and I since a list of things that it does for 2005 Super Duty's and 2006 - 2007 but nothing for 2003 - 2004. I have a 2004 Super Duty and have an appointment at my dealer tomorrow to apply this update to my truck. However, since the update does not indicate any benefits to 2003 - 2004 Super Duty am I wasting my money or will this give me some benefits?
Did it to mine. So far so good. Seems a little quieter on the freeway. Starts alittle faster. Just have to wait and see. The "Lie-O-Meter" seems to be a little higher too.
 
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