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Where will the PTO port be located on the transmission?<O
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</OSorry I am not trying to be a Butt, but I just boggles my mind why a 4x4 commercial truck (f 3-550 cab and chassi) is not set up with even a simple usable PTO port for mechanical driven contraptions.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Mid Atlantic
Thank you Adam for trying to answering my question...
..."Will the 2011 SD's have a lower or higher operating cost that the 6.4's?
Looking at this from the engine side, we've made every effort to further improve. For example, the oil capacity has been optimized, so your oil change is now only 13 quarts...."
But you really didn't answer my question
...smaller oil capacity "may" help if the OCIs are at least as long (or longer) in the severe duty cycle we operate in but factoring in the expense of the urea and other maintenance intervals for servicable items etc I would have thought someone in Detroit would have run this analysis.
And if I may ask a second question has there been any improvement of the front ball joints on the SD's?
Thank you.
..."Will the 2011 SD's have a lower or higher operating cost that the 6.4's?
Looking at this from the engine side, we've made every effort to further improve. For example, the oil capacity has been optimized, so your oil change is now only 13 quarts...."
But you really didn't answer my question
...smaller oil capacity "may" help if the OCIs are at least as long (or longer) in the severe duty cycle we operate in but factoring in the expense of the urea and other maintenance intervals for servicable items etc I would have thought someone in Detroit would have run this analysis.And if I may ask a second question has there been any improvement of the front ball joints on the SD's?
Thank you.
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From: fredericksburg ,va
sounds better the more he talks about it especially the part about turbo and egr servicing but i will hold off judgment until we see after people start buying but at least they are talking to us its a good start
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
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From: SE Florida
Long before any prototype trucks were built the entire truck, including the engine compartment, were designed in CAD. The engineers were able to look at it and knew how hard it would be to work on the engine. Sometimes engineering has to make do with what styling creates.
Fleet Owner
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Thanks for the response Adam!! This is a great thread.
One other question regarding the test fleet - have there been any issues identified that will need to be addressed before full production begins (engine, drivetrain, electrical/electronic, suspension, frame / structural, etc)?
One other question regarding the test fleet - have there been any issues identified that will need to be addressed before full production begins (engine, drivetrain, electrical/electronic, suspension, frame / structural, etc)?
Super Moderator
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: SW Virginia
Great information Adam and thanks for taking the time to respond in such detail.
I repped him previously guys but he deserves some extra rep love for taking the time he has here to address so many good questions.
I repped him previously guys but he deserves some extra rep love for taking the time he has here to address so many good questions.
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Lead Driver
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From: The Great State of Texas
Excellent guy's lets keep this going!
Another question Adam... I know the GM challenge sounds elementary but the tug of war statements about the Duramax vs. the Powerstroke seems a little bold. What are your thoughts?
I'm sure hoping Ford will advertise it's strengths against the competition like the F150 campaign.
Another question Adam... I know the GM challenge sounds elementary but the tug of war statements about the Duramax vs. the Powerstroke seems a little bold. What are your thoughts?
I'm sure hoping Ford will advertise it's strengths against the competition like the F150 campaign.
Lead Driver
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From: The Great State of Texas
Thanks for the response Adam!! This is a great thread.
One other question regarding the test fleet - have there been any issues identified that will need to be addressed before full production begins (engine, drivetrain, electrical/electronic, suspension, frame / structural, etc)?
One other question regarding the test fleet - have there been any issues identified that will need to be addressed before full production begins (engine, drivetrain, electrical/electronic, suspension, frame / structural, etc)?
Are you thinking about jumping ship from the 6.0L?
Lead Driver
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From: The Great State of Texas
Another question Adam... And thanks for answering questions today!
I keep hearing the statement that the 6.7 fuel economy will be "Class Leading". But would like a little more detail so could you select the list below that best fits this description of "Class Leading":
A. Better fuel economy than future 2011 diesel offerings
B. Better fuel economy than the 6.4
C. Better fuel economy than the 6.0
D. Better fuel economy than the 7.3
E. All the above
I keep hearing the statement that the 6.7 fuel economy will be "Class Leading". But would like a little more detail so could you select the list below that best fits this description of "Class Leading":
A. Better fuel economy than future 2011 diesel offerings
B. Better fuel economy than the 6.4
C. Better fuel economy than the 6.0
D. Better fuel economy than the 7.3
E. All the above
Fleet Owner
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Hello Troy -
Not at all. This 6.0L has been the best truck I have ever owned. However, I am interested in the 6.7L innovations and learning all I can from the beginning. I may be in the market for one in 3-4 years. At that point, I may consider buying a "lightly used" one. At 400HP, there may not be very many in that category!
Lead Driver
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From: The Great State of Texas
Hello Troy -
Not at all. This 6.0L has been the best truck I have ever owned. However, I am interested in the 6.7L innovations and learning all I can from the beginning. I may be in the market for one in 3-4 years. At that point, I may consider buying a "lightly used" one. At 400HP, there may not be very many in that category!
Not at all. This 6.0L has been the best truck I have ever owned. However, I am interested in the 6.7L innovations and learning all I can from the beginning. I may be in the market for one in 3-4 years. At that point, I may consider buying a "lightly used" one. At 400HP, there may not be very many in that category!
Post Fiend
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From: Greenwood, SC
The info on the 6 speed trans. and the economy claims are really getting under my skin.
Adam: Can you please keep in mind MPG values when towing? Running empty is one thing but most of us run at or near the GCWR most of the time. These are the numbers we need to know!
Adam: Can you please keep in mind MPG values when towing? Running empty is one thing but most of us run at or near the GCWR most of the time. These are the numbers we need to know!
Hotshot
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From: Pflugerville, tx
right.. and the words bother me too.. lots of room for vague success.. (marketing speak.. I see that in my industry (enterprise computer software) all the time)
Class Leading can be 1 mpg difference.. I see this on the chevy ads comparing against honda.. same city, +1 highway.. to me personally those are identical.
5mpg is my difference window. (on both city & highway).
on my 08 F350/4.10 I am at 12.5 solid empty, and 9ish loaded with just 7k trailer.
i'm looking for 18empty/13-15 with 7k. so that is 50% better.
if my regular fuel bill goes down, then its different.. if not, not. I drive roughly the same distance all the time.
so, 6speed tranny, gear change to 3.55 from 4.10 and engine improvements MIGHT be capable of all that.. torque down low and lower 1st gear for takeoff.
sam
Class Leading can be 1 mpg difference.. I see this on the chevy ads comparing against honda.. same city, +1 highway.. to me personally those are identical.
5mpg is my difference window. (on both city & highway).
on my 08 F350/4.10 I am at 12.5 solid empty, and 9ish loaded with just 7k trailer.
i'm looking for 18empty/13-15 with 7k. so that is 50% better.
if my regular fuel bill goes down, then its different.. if not, not. I drive roughly the same distance all the time.
so, 6speed tranny, gear change to 3.55 from 4.10 and engine improvements MIGHT be capable of all that.. torque down low and lower 1st gear for takeoff.
sam