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right.. I intentionally made my questions wide range, in the hope that there can be stretch of the answers.
I also edited one of my posts to remove what I considered inappropriate text after thinking about it. We're asking about the future, not bitching about the past, except to help us understand changes from the learning experiences.
Sam
I also edited one of my posts to remove what I considered inappropriate text after thinking about it. We're asking about the future, not bitching about the past, except to help us understand changes from the learning experiences.
Sam
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This is turning out to be a great read!
I've got a feeling that after all is said and done and the 2011 Super Duty is released, I think some of the same problems that have been plagued with the new emissions engines will still remain with the 6.7. I'm on my second F350 with my first being a 2000 7.3 and now with the 2010 6.4. The 7.3 was great because of it's simplicity but are long gone and never to return again, so I don't waste my time comparing it to the new emissions engines of today. I'm really pleased with my 6.4 and hope to have it a very long time. Mileage on the both of my engines are about the same because I never tuned my 7.3, so my 13 mpg average is what I'm used too. Both have their own unique set of problems that have been noted before, and the same will be true for the 6.7 after it has been out for a while.
I've got a feeling that after all is said and done and the 2011 Super Duty is released, I think some of the same problems that have been plagued with the new emissions engines will still remain with the 6.7. I'm on my second F350 with my first being a 2000 7.3 and now with the 2010 6.4. The 7.3 was great because of it's simplicity but are long gone and never to return again, so I don't waste my time comparing it to the new emissions engines of today. I'm really pleased with my 6.4 and hope to have it a very long time. Mileage on the both of my engines are about the same because I never tuned my 7.3, so my 13 mpg average is what I'm used too. Both have their own unique set of problems that have been noted before, and the same will be true for the 6.7 after it has been out for a while.
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LOL, good one.
1. Ford never quotes fuel mileage expectations on their diesel engines, because the EPA does not require it for that class truck. Neither do the competitors.
2. We've heard "class leading" so much, and classes defined so many obscure ways, it has little meaning.
1. Ford never quotes fuel mileage expectations on their diesel engines, because the EPA does not require it for that class truck. Neither do the competitors.
2. We've heard "class leading" so much, and classes defined so many obscure ways, it has little meaning.
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I don't know if you are already aware of this but GM's vice chairman of global product operations, Tom Stephens, has appeared to to have called out the Super Duty. Any comments?
GM challenges Ford to heavy-duty pickup tug of war — Autoblog
Now that I'm on the subject of Super Duty competitors, I'm curious to know if the new Dodge Ram HD and upcoming and revised Chevorlet Silverado HD/ GMC Sierra HD twins were taken into consideration when competitors were benchmarked? Or were the older models of these two competing brands benchmarked?
Another question. I don't know if this has already been asked but there has been some concern that the 2011 F-450 has lost some capability due to the use of "less stout" hardware such as axles and smaller wheels when compared to the 08-10. If my memory serves me right, I understand that the update to the Super Duty has brought with it some weight loss. If I am correct, how exactly has this weight savings been accomplished? Is there anything that you can say to reassure potential F-450 customers that there has been no loss whatsoever of capability for the new F-450 over the outgoing model?
GM challenges Ford to heavy-duty pickup tug of war — Autoblog
Now that I'm on the subject of Super Duty competitors, I'm curious to know if the new Dodge Ram HD and upcoming and revised Chevorlet Silverado HD/ GMC Sierra HD twins were taken into consideration when competitors were benchmarked? Or were the older models of these two competing brands benchmarked?
Another question. I don't know if this has already been asked but there has been some concern that the 2011 F-450 has lost some capability due to the use of "less stout" hardware such as axles and smaller wheels when compared to the 08-10. If my memory serves me right, I understand that the update to the Super Duty has brought with it some weight loss. If I am correct, how exactly has this weight savings been accomplished? Is there anything that you can say to reassure potential F-450 customers that there has been no loss whatsoever of capability for the new F-450 over the outgoing model?
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For reference, here's the thread where the worrying of as one poster commented, the "neutering" of the F-450 arose.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...ml#post7992916
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...ml#post7992916
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.................See this article from Business Week magazine:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...2000630377.htm
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http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...2000630377.htm
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Here's the latest on that challenge from GM.
Ford turns down Heavy Duty tug of war challenge with GM — Autoblog
Ford turns down Heavy Duty tug of war challenge with GM — Autoblog
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Here's the latest on that challenge from GM.
Ford turns down Heavy Duty tug of war challenge with GM — Autoblog
Ford turns down Heavy Duty tug of war challenge with GM — Autoblog
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Probably a smart move by Ford's behalf... Tug of war challenges have too many variables including driver skill and just would'nt prove anything. However I'm sure there's nothing stoping GM from obtaining an F250 and conduct this challenge themselves and advertising it. Just like Ford does when it compares it's F150/F250 against the competition.
Oh forgot the Slogan "May the Best Truck Win" campaign
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I am kind of surprised they turned it down. Those tug of war contests are a contest of traction, not necessarily torque. The heavier Superduty should easily win.
That said - a stupid pulling contest would prove absolutely nothing, they have so many variables (I would turning up with a full gas tank, doors and frame rails full of weights, and tires filled with water) - not to mention they are incredibly dangerous.
Anyhow, we seem to have got off-topic here people. Who else has questions for Adam?
That said - a stupid pulling contest would prove absolutely nothing, they have so many variables (I would turning up with a full gas tank, doors and frame rails full of weights, and tires filled with water) - not to mention they are incredibly dangerous.
Anyhow, we seem to have got off-topic here people. Who else has questions for Adam?
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Sure, lets get back on topic.
We've heard about the lower temp issues with urea. What about the other end? What are the upper temp limits on the urea? Can it get too hot?
If the urea freezes, boils out, or just plain runs out, can you tell us about what happens then? Some sort of limp mode I assume? What if you have a 10k trailer on the back of the truck? Can you still limp to the next truck stop?
We've heard about the lower temp issues with urea. What about the other end? What are the upper temp limits on the urea? Can it get too hot?
If the urea freezes, boils out, or just plain runs out, can you tell us about what happens then? Some sort of limp mode I assume? What if you have a 10k trailer on the back of the truck? Can you still limp to the next truck stop?