Getting cold -- anti-gel additive
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
From: Newport, RI USA
Getting cold -- anti-gel additive
Still green about the diesel. But it's starting to get cold up here and I was wondering what 'anti-gel' additive is the 'preferred' one?
I have some of the Ford stuff (recommended by a 6.4 owner) and a big jug of Howes. I put the Ford stuff in today when I filled up (easy to use container but pricey) and I got the Howes when I got the Rotella ELC coolant. It turns out they are local, just down the street from the place I got the ELC.
Also, I have a local biodiesel plant and will probably run some blend in the winter, but saw somewhere that anti-gels don't work very well with bio.
I have some of the Ford stuff (recommended by a 6.4 owner) and a big jug of Howes. I put the Ford stuff in today when I filled up (easy to use container but pricey) and I got the Howes when I got the Rotella ELC coolant. It turns out they are local, just down the street from the place I got the ELC.
Also, I have a local biodiesel plant and will probably run some blend in the winter, but saw somewhere that anti-gels don't work very well with bio.
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 288
Likes: 0
From: Maryland
I have used the Ford anti-gel and Power Service too! Both are good. What I ended up doing was saving the empty Ford anti-gel bottle and pour Power Service anti-gel in that bottle to make pouring easier. The Power Service bottles are not pour friendly with out a funnel.
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 150
Likes: 0
From: Vermillion, SD
Make sure to read the fine print on the bottles, the big print will say X number of gallons that it will treat but I've had some that require more for "maximum winter protection" especially if you are going to run some bio you will probably need to mix it heavier.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,708
Likes: 5
From: Kiowa CO
x2 on the Power Service White bottle for winter. I have a beat-up small bottle for the truck that I just refill with the big jug in the garage. It's getting that time of the year again. You might want to get a red bottle of 911 Power Service for emergency purposes and throw that in the truck as well.
Post Fiend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 14,541
Likes: 2
From: Dallas-Ft. Worth
I wouldn't run Bio in the winter -- it gels at much higher temps than dino diesel. But it depends on the blend as well as the actual formula from what I've seen. There have been cases of gelling in the 30 & 40s with that stuff! If you HAVE to run it, I'd keep it at B20 or below, use the max dose of anti-gel (I use PowerSevice in the white bottle for the winter too), and definitely keep a bottle of PowerService Diesel 911 in case you do gel up. It works pretty well from what I have seen. Fortunately, I haven't had to use it here. It rarely gets into the teens or 20s -- "normal" winters here are in the 30s at night.
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
From: Newport, RI USA
Great info. I did save the first container of the Ford stuff for the 'silver' PS stuff I have been using (great tip Blue1Ton). But it seems that none of em are leak proof.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the bio, but I do go north and it's cold up there sometimes (-30F counts as cold in anyone's book). I can get it at a decent price ($2.39 for B100) and do carry a spare fuel filter... The advantage of living near the coast is the temps are fairly moderate compared to just a little inland, but the down side is the salt air seems to make rust a bigger problem.
I have a couple of gallons of B100 in a jerry jug. I should put some in a glass jar just to see how it acts.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the bio, but I do go north and it's cold up there sometimes (-30F counts as cold in anyone's book). I can get it at a decent price ($2.39 for B100) and do carry a spare fuel filter... The advantage of living near the coast is the temps are fairly moderate compared to just a little inland, but the down side is the salt air seems to make rust a bigger problem.
I have a couple of gallons of B100 in a jerry jug. I should put some in a glass jar just to see how it acts.
Trending Topics
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,573
Likes: 4
From: Seattle
Great info. I did save the first container of the Ford stuff for the 'silver' PS stuff I have been using (great tip Blue1Ton). But it seems that none of em are leak proof.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the bio, but I do go north and it's cold up there sometimes (-30F counts as cold in anyone's book). I can get it at a decent price ($2.39 for B100) and do carry a spare fuel filter... The advantage of living near the coast is the temps are fairly moderate compared to just a little inland, but the down side is the salt air seems to make rust a bigger problem.
I have a couple of gallons of B100 in a jerry jug. I should put some in a glass jar just to see how it acts.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the bio, but I do go north and it's cold up there sometimes (-30F counts as cold in anyone's book). I can get it at a decent price ($2.39 for B100) and do carry a spare fuel filter... The advantage of living near the coast is the temps are fairly moderate compared to just a little inland, but the down side is the salt air seems to make rust a bigger problem.
I have a couple of gallons of B100 in a jerry jug. I should put some in a glass jar just to see how it acts.
True, there aren't any known anti-gel additives for bio. Must have to do with the multitude of vegetable oil feedstocks used to make the biodiesel. Lot's of 'snake oil' out there though.
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make
Brett Foote
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!
Michael S. Palmer
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!
Joe Kucinski
Cross-Country
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 84
Likes: 2
I did find some Bio-diesel anti-gel that works good. Google Wintron XC-30. Wintron makes different blends for different oil feedstock. I found it in Winnipeg. The only problem is that you need to "cold filter" it. Also, the stuff is pretty expensive. If I remember, it's about $25 or $30 for 1 liter! I used it last winter and was able to run B20 to about -20C. Colder than that I went to straight diesel. I was able to run B100 to about -10C though. Fuel is cheaper this winter, however, so I'm going to run diesel for the winter. With the Wintron, the Bio gets too expensive to make it worth while. 
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,573
Likes: 4
From: Seattle
I did find some Bio-diesel anti-gel that works good. Google Wintron XC-30. Wintron makes different blends for different oil feedstock. I found it in Winnipeg. The only problem is that you need to "cold filter" it. Also, the stuff is pretty expensive. If I remember, it's about $25 or $30 for 1 liter! I used it last winter and was able to run B20 to about -20C. Colder than that I went to straight diesel. I was able to run B100 to about -10C though. Fuel is cheaper this winter, however, so I'm going to run diesel for the winter. With the Wintron, the Bio gets too expensive to make it worth while.
However, it's great to know there is some advancing going on in this arena. This could lead to more products like that and better pricing. Thanks for that post!
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,787
Likes: 31
From: Northern Illinois
fwiw powerservice is on sale almost everyweek this winter at Farm and Fleet. Around 9.00 for the big white bottle. I was going to stock up as it is on sale now and had my grandma check when it would be on sale next and it is in every sale.
Cross-Country
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 84
Likes: 2
Interesting find. Seems like quite a bit of extra effort is required (i.e. blending when warm,and then cold filtering), and it sure is expensive! I calculated at the middle range of their treatment, 0.5%, and for my 29 gallon tank I would need roughly a half litre. $15.00 !!! That's enough for me to buy a little over 5 gallons of pump D2 to cut my tank of biodiesel to B80 which is good down to 20F, and without the hassles.
However, it's great to know there is some advancing going on in this arena. This could lead to more products like that and better pricing. Thanks for that post!
However, it's great to know there is some advancing going on in this arena. This could lead to more products like that and better pricing. Thanks for that post!
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
white Buffalo
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
18
Nov 13, 2014 06:44 PM
danocross
6.0L Power Stroke Diesel
5
Oct 6, 2011 05:39 PM
ctfordguy
6.4L Power Stroke Diesel
24
Jan 10, 2008 04:59 PM
