From my side it gets me how stupid so many of these people are, they just keep talking themselves into a bigger hole, all they need to do is SHUT UP. I'm no fan of drug prohibition but there just soooo stupid.

But can you imagine how much harder your job would be if these people had a brain.

Add to that all the runners, you just don't run it doesn't do any good (don't take this wrong) cops are like dogs when they run the cop will chase. A dog thinks only food runs, and cops only crimminals run.

When I had that 510 I spent an evening in Palm Springs racing with a bunch of guys in Hondas. All of a sudden we were serounded by cops comming from all directions. They all yelled COPS, took off, and got arrested. I leaned back and slumped down in my seat so I couldn't be seen and stayed put. The next thing I knew I was there all by myself and just drove away. I was the only one not arrested that night.

 

Funny you should mention that. The other day, we got a guy that had crack and a pipe in his pocket. He tried to tell us he had stayed the night with his mom and they were her pants. You know what came next.

 

Most common 5 words said on COPS........"That aint my crack pipe!"

 

Whatever, Canadians don't count, and from the sound of this I wish you'd stay there.

 

I did some research, and found out that there was an engineering speed survey done on the stretch of road where I was cited. The Survey, which was conducted by the city, shows that out of over 300 cars surveyed 85% of them were traveling at a speed of 42 MPH. This survey did not contain any adverse data regarding road hazards or anything out of the ordinary that would be cause to post a speed limit that is unreasonably low for the area in question. according to the 2003 edition of the manual for traffic control devices, the speed limit must be posted within 5 mph of the 85th percentile speed of traffic flow. The posted speed was 30, 85th percentile speed was 42. this study also shows that 100% of cars that traveled through the surveyed area traveled at speeds greater than 30 mph. This makes violators of 100 percent of drivers. interesting no? so if the law say drivers must travel at a speed which is "reasonable and prudent" and 85% of drivers travel the stretch of road you are cited on at 42 mph I would have to say that the only thing that is not reasonable and prudent is the posted speed limit.

If they posted the speed limit on this section of roadway in accordance with the manual for uniform traffic control devices, which they are supposed to adhere to, the percentage of violators would be less than 2% of drivers according to the study. now if I was going to go fishin, I would definately go fishin in a pnd where I caught a whopper with every cast. That is where this particular kneivel is doin his fishin. This fish aint gonna go without a fight!!!

 

Good Job finding that survey, Fight away the rest of us thank you.

Now that is a speed trap, time to sue the city.

 

I am one of those people that "strongly dislike" nearly all cops on the road. And guess what? I've only been driving for 8 years, but have only been pulled over once for not wearing a seatbelt...and was given a warning.

A couple guys I went to high school with are officers. The "power" really gets to them and they think they are above the law. A LOT of "officers" are like this.

One of my good friends has been trying to get on as a city police officer for a year now. During his ride along program, he said they never stopped at a red light or stop sign...and they never went slower than 15mph OVER the limit.

I don't care who or what you are...cops ARE out there to get you. They will find any little thing wrong with your vehicle as an excuse to pull you over. Once you are on the side of the road, you are pretty much powerless. After all...who's the judge going to believe? You or an "officer of the law"?

 

I am not gonna sue the city, but I am going to build a good case and fight the ticket.

 

There is always one more paranoid delusional to keep the thing going. Like I said way back when. I started driving when I was 15 and I'm 42 now. I've never gotten a ticket I didn't deserve. I've sailed past the police at 10-15 miles over and been ignored. If they were "out to get me", they've wasted plenty of opportunities.

 

I wish you would provide more specific information on the "survey" and the "law" and the "manual" as you quoted. When was the engineering study done? Does it reflect current data or driving attitudes? or is it from 1970 when vehicle ownership was much lower than today? Is the law you quote Federal State or Local? Remember all States are different. Also if that is the "law" of the land it is poorly written and should be changed. Think of the old saying if I give em an inch they will take a mile. If the speed limit is 30 and everyone is travelling 40, the problem is not the speed limit. It can be many other things though......Lack of enforcement, lack of education about speed and its affects on traffic crashes, lack of proper signage...the list could go on and on.....If the limit is 30 and people drive 40, you should raise it to 40? and then when it's 40, they will drive 50, etc. etc. So where do you cut it off?
Since the study is not quoted, it can not then be read by those of us that have actually done research. Does the study take into account what the effects of raising the speed limit is in changing the 2% violator factor. As you know from RESEARCHING, not just reading a study, any factor that changes (speed limit) will change the outcome of all other factors! The effect of changing the speed limit is an unknown, unless we can predict behavior!
If we could predict behavior then it would show that people will speed right?

Research = bias, unless independantly verified !

Your fishing story is right on the money!!!!! If people are speeding in a certain area.....that's where enforcement SHOULD take place. Should officers go to the areas where people drive below the limit??? (if there is one)
To me its pretty simple...take the cell phone out of your ear, put down your cigarette, and hamburger, quit trying to roll your joints, and pay attention to the road, other traffic, pedestrians, road signs, etc. You would probably really surprise yourself at how little trouble you would get into when you are driving.

Rant over...back to my donuts

 

One of my good friends has been trying to get on as a city police officer for a year now. During his ride along program, he said they never stopped at a red light or stop sign...and they never went slower than 15mph OVER the limit.


I call B/S This is Impossible....period.....other traffic present would prevent this if nothing else alone......Again this is ONLY inflammetory B/S

Never means Never.....it doesn't mean sometimes or most of the time

 

I'm lived in Pkenix for a while but never got a ticket there.(was driving 510) otherwise I would know the law well enough to get you out of your ticket in a much easier way. In most states it really is VERY easy. Do you have your discovery yet, have you asked?

Check out, the National Motorists Assoc. I used to me a member but let it laps. The National Motorists Association Website This gruop is great for fighting tickets and for drivers rights. The do two notable things that would be good for you. They have state specific info and instuction packets for fighting ticket. And if your a member and fight your ticket but loose they will pay it, yep they'll pay it. Like I siad before I've had a LOT of tickets but NEVER had one stick while I was a member and put the work in, they never had to pay one for me.
JeffMc202,Your an officer right? I woould think you would know the 85th percentile rule. This is the law and standard practice that jfaber describes above and is the national standard. No it's not fedaeral law but we both know that MOST laws are VERY standard/uniform from state to state and this is one of them. There is NEVER supposed to be a councel vote or personal decision in setting speed limits. There sapposed to use this procedure where they servey the average speeds and set it with this 85th percentile rule. Most of the time you see those poratable speed measuring trailers, that's what there doing. (so if you want the limit higher blow past those at light speed and throw of the curve)

 

Well If I do decide to become a cop I can guraantee sp? that if I witness another officer behahing unacceptably torwards a subject. ie beatin someone for no reason, I will at the risk of my carreer or worse taser thier sorry @$$ or if neccasarry, i would fire on them. I feel the Job of a cop is to protect the innocent from all threats if that threat happens to be wearing a uniform then he's goin down. I wish there were more with my attitude. In fact I almost got arrested by a deputy who called me a liar BEFORE I even told my side of the story. When I told him that it was guys like him who give uniforms a bad name, he told me that was a good way to get arrested and he almost did cuff me but another levelheaded officer (who is now a good friend of the family) stepped in and calmed him down.Those are the jerks I cant stand....or the trooper that clocked a mustang going 87 but gave ME a ticket cause he couldnt catch the stang (I was only do 78 NOT 87 I know I was speeding but my speedo was right.

Anyway...kickin the soapbox back under the table....

 

Snappy comeback; I concede. I'm sorry if the thought of paying fines, that I deserve, without moaning and complaining is foreign to you.

I'm in the middle of the hottest economy in North America. The air and the water is clear and clean. The hunting and fishing is phenominal.The neighbours are trustworthy and friendly. Why would you even think I would want to leave.

 

Okay, enough. If you two are quite finished now...