A Super Crew 4x4, 5.5ft bed 09 F-150 weighs in at 5,500 lbs. A 1982 Regular Cab F-150 short bed weighs in at about 4700 lbs. Add in 4x4, Crew Cab, long bed, and that would easily be over 5000. A CrewCab tundra weighs in at over 5700 lbs. The 09 Rams are around 5200-5500 for CrewCabs as well. If neither Ford, GM, Toyota, or Dodge can figure out how to make a Crew Cab half ton weigh less then 5000 lbs, then it is not going to happen.

 

LOL, It all started by trying do out do the next guy. It has gotten out of hand.

Typical American caveman thinking. If they make theirs bigger, the only way to compete is, to make ours bigger.

Look at what Volvo did to OTR trucks. EVERYONE hated the look, and the fact that it wasn't domestic. Untill they realized that they could get 4 more MPG. Then they started selling like hotcakes, and the domestic market scurried to get their trucks more areodynamic.

 

Screw the Screw !

Thats me i dont like them,

Ford will never build the F-150 smaler like my Gen, anymore just get use to it.

Do what i did Restore insted of buying new.

 

I've already done that with My 250's.

I need a new 1/2 Ton Truck with an 8' box. I want it to be efficient. Not one manufacturer offers one. They've all turned there trucks into over sized 3/4 ton commuter vehicles. The only thing about a F150 that resembles a 1/2 ton, is the name plate.

 

The only thing about a F150 that resembles a 1/2 ton, is the name plate.[/quote]

Thats True !!

 

A 1/2 Ton F-150 or Ram or Chevy or hell even Toyota with a reg. cab and 8 foot box should not have much trouble pulling 19-21 MPG highway.

 

You see this is one thing i am talking about What about City Driving ?

Mileage in Bumper to bumper traffic stop and go. The time i am on the Hwy is only 15/20 Miniutes the rest is city. I am hitting 16-17 mixted in a 4800 lb truck

 

I would take less safer. Over the life of a truck, the savings and the seat of the pants feel to a lighter truck (to me)would be worth it. I dont really know where a guy would cut the weight though.

As for the whole cautious driving, well I dont wanna get into it too much, but its very rare when an accident happens that couldnt have been prevented. In a case like your sisters, it sounds like that was out of her control, and its easy to sit here and think, well why wouldnt she have just punched on it and drove forward, or why was she in between all those trucks in the first place? (good thing she wasnt hurt, thats amazing!)

Getting rear ended, and SOME side hits are also very hard to prevent, but regarding those, I personally dont think the heavier built roof would make a difference.

Ive also never been in a rollover, or any serious accident over a bumper "bump" so my experience on how much a heavier built roof would help in a rear or side impact accident is limited. Im just assuming

 

Every report I've read, reports 15-16 MPG combined. I don't know how they come up with this magical 21 MPG?

 

Where is this weight going to come out of? You have yet to answer my question.

 

That's because I've answered it before, You know that. You've been reading every post I post on this subject, fighting tooth and nail to hold onto every pound of truck.

You are going to have to realize that it's coming. I'm almost afraid to think what Obama's administration is going to do with the CAFE standards. Especially now that the Bridge Loans have been approved.

 

Actually, I have only popped in here a few times. Been a little busy moving from Fargo back to the Cities. So, please enlighten me.

 

hey fonediddy, do you have a link where you answered that question? I would be interested in reading what you wrote.

 

Search My posts?

Basically they'll have to abandon the boxed frame, hydroform a new one. Get rid of 250Lbs of sound proofing, double walled firewall, more cast aluminum suspension pieces, smaller lighter wheels, lighter seat frames w/o heat/cool, simplified ventilation, etc., etc.

Then the truck would have to loose the flying box shape. It's going to need some serious wind tunnel work. Just look under a Porsche, You'll see the concept applied. Simple, lightweight panels to keep the airflow clean.

They'd have to turn it back into a 1/2 ton truck to pull it off. Then all the Tow Fiends can buy the real F250 to pull their 10K trailers.

It feels like most of the guys arguing about this seem to think that I'm attacking them personally. About their choice in trucks. I'm not. I'm just saying that the F150 has evolved into a giant hulk.

If You truly need to tow 11K lbs. Ford already makes the perfect vehicle for that. Why does the F150 have to be built to do the same thing the F250 already does? It leaves a gaping hole where the F150 used to be 10-15 years ago.
A rugged, medium duty 1/2 ton truck, is not offered by ANYONE these days.

Like I've stated before, loosing weight is jsut like adding power. No one would be complaining about 310 HP if the truck weighed 4500lbs, instead of 5800 lbs

 

go take a look at the tundra and chevy's and dodge's on the torture test ford did.....let me know if you'd like to go back to that frame....


Proof of there being 250 lbs of soundproofing?

You do know that aluminum castings cost more than steel right......weren't you complaning in another post that the trucks were too expensive?

This means smaller brakes...which means worse performance, more heat, which in turn cuts down on reliablity when you warp rotors all the time.....


This is a two parter......when you lighten the frame of the seat....you reduce its rigidity in a crash.....should we go back to lap belts and model t seats....or should we continue to be a safe vehicle?

Second part.....seat heaters weigh about 1 pound....less than my cup of coffee each morning....i hardly find that to be the way to increase fuel economy......cooled seats....are a very high end option...one that 95 percent of trucks won't have.....

The 97-03's weren't....and they were no more areodynamic....(actually less so)

A porsche isn't expected to go through ditches....through 3 feet of snow....get covered in mud and keep salt from building up underneath it....

So F-250's now are what.....8 ton trucks if F-150's are 3/4 ton?????



my 95 was more than 4500 lbs.....and it was slower, less safe, rusted easier, and was a bear to drive in long distances....