Not saying I don't want a dp tuner because I do then i can turn down my edge and have a pretty cheap set of gauges.

 

If you don't mind, what is the Edge saying your 1/4 mile time is?? That would be a handy tool.

 

If I need to know my quarter times and so on...Ill get guages for that. But since we are talkin chips and power, Ill stay with my DP-Tuner!!

 

To be honest with you I haven't done the 1/4 mile time due to the fact that here in washington i don't believe they make a quarter mile of straight road. however i have used the 0-60 but the time wasn't good but hey its a 8,000 pound truck

 

I was refering to the trans and engine controls. Other than that, no it doesn't. Though I would think a scanner would tell you DTC but not 1/4 times.

 

I've never owned the Edge, I am a former Superchip user. I have read about numerous people on here that toasted their transmission running the Edge. DP or Tony Wildman will tune the entire truck, not just amount of fuel dumped into it. It's a technical science that those guys have figured out. The difference is INCREDIBLE

 

I know that is correct on the transmission issue, but like I said I want a DP and then have pretty cheap set of gauges. Have a great day all.

 

This one statement right here shows your true lack of knowledge about how a PSD works.

By adding the attitude to the juice , all you have done is raised the ICP pressure, you are not stacking anything.

 

That's not a chip/programmer stack. That is a control box/gauge combination. You get the Attitude, and you "unlock" the other two settings that should have been there in the first place with the Juice. If you notice, the Juice only monitors engine RPM via the CPS, monitors boost via the MAP, monitors the manifold air temperature (MAT), and works as an ICP fooler. When connected to the Attitude, it supplies that info so the Attitude can cut back on the ICP to control fueling if EGT's get too high.

The Edge EZ is also not a chip/programmer stack. The EZ is an expensive ICP fooler. You can make your own for less than a dollar at Radio Shack.

The Evolution is a programmer, and it is the only thing that Edge sells that actually plugs into the PCM.

If you buy a chip say from DP-Tuner, Tony Wildman, TS, etc, it does way more than the Edge Juice/Attitude combination. Chips can control ICP, fuel pulsewidth, transmission shift points, transmission line pressure, injection timing, torque converter lockup, throttle tip in, and way more that I haven't even figured out yet. You tell the tuner what you want, and they can program it on the chip. The Edge Juice/Attitude doesn't even come close. The Evolution will do a few of those things, but it will not give you the transmission tuning that a chip can deliver. Also every tune from Edge is a canned generic setting. You can't modify them for your specific truck, driving style, modifications, etc.

If you want Edge products to get many of the performance features that a chip can deliver, consider this. You would have to buy the Juice with Attitude, and the Evolution... totalling around $1260 for everything. If you buy a chip and gauges, you're looking at around $700. And a well tuned chip will hands down deliver more power and faster times at the track. Really well tuned chips will deliver this extra power and keep EGT's lower than Edge can. This isn't just Edge either. Banks also has a very similar setup, for very similar prices. Again, you can see where the real value can be found.

Hopefully now you see why so many people with Powerstrokes recommend ditching programmers and "stackable" boxes in favor of a chip. It's cheaper, and you get better results.


Now I know the next question that will pop up.... "What if I stack the Edge Juice w/Attitude with a chip? Those don't cancel each other out." While true, you could technically stack that with a chip, it's pretty much a waste of money. If you really need more ICP pressure, it can be accomplished with the chip tuning. About the only benefit you would ever see might be if you really really want automatic defueling when EGT's get too high. If that's the case, you're probably driving in the wrong tune at the wrong time. EGT's can be very easily controlled with good chip tunes.

 

Referring to what's being asked here:

The Edge Juice (with or without the Attitude monitor) and Edge Evolution are two different animals.

The Edge Juice is a glorified 10K mod that intercepts the voltage signal from the Injection Control Pressure sensor. It sends out a corrupt signal to the PCM (engine computer) and the PCM makes an Injection Pressure Regulator duty cycle change to raise the pressure that the High Pressure Oil Pump puts out. Is that bad? Heck no, people have been doing that for years and years.....and IT WORKS!! Well, it works to make a more responsive throttle and a little more power. The transmission suffers a bit though because the shift points and line pressure values are based on the accelerator pedal position....if it's now at a lesser value, the shifts occur earlier AND softer.

Here's where the Evolution programmer comes in. The programmer will upload a new set of operating parameters into the existing PCM memory. This programming acts differently than the stock programming does when it "sees" specific inputs. The programmer WILL firm up shifts by raising pressure. It's a small preventive measure to help with transmission life and performance-feel of the shifts. It also will add fuel above what the factory programming is set for. Add this to the increased ICP of the Juice and they work OK together.

The problem is that Edge capitalized on selling the consumer TWO SEPARATE items that could have easily been packaged in the Evolution (ICP tables can be raised in programming very easily) but since you only realize the FULL potential of the Edge products when used together, you spend twice as much for the same performance of other off-the-shelf programmers.

 

Damnit, Curtis!!!!

 

Owned again, BEEEEEEOOOOOOOOTTTCHHHHH!!!!!!


You just need to learn how to type faster

 

No, I just have to quit WORKING.

Get a JOB!!!

 

Looks like ol' Gale in your sig is slowing you down

 

you guys were separated at birth..or something.

it slows me down every time I am forced to look at it.