10K Mod Quick Q
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10K Mod Quick Q
Hey guys, i just wanted to test this out so all i got was the 10K resistors. My electrical work isnt that great so i need a little help. Im confused on how i insert the resistors into the ICM. I have to fold them over but not let them touch? Some pics would help. Im not trying to wire up an switches so the simplest was i can do it would help. Thanks guys
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thats not entirely correct but do it the inline way (Joe's style) anyway. It is easier to do with the same results.
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Correct. But if that little resistor or connector is loose your truck don't run worth nothing. One draw back to this method but as long as you don't screw around with your resistors 10 times in one day you should be ok.
Also there is no proof this method produces more power. Its apples to oranges. You can't compare 10K resistors in both method because they operate differently. But all that said the inline method is easier to do and change.
Also there is no proof this method produces more power. Its apples to oranges. You can't compare 10K resistors in both method because they operate differently. But all that said the inline method is easier to do and change.
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ah but you dont need a dyno to read basic electricity. the simple drawing of the two methods' circuits shows why the inline method is better then the plug method. the plug method creates 2 paths for electricity, or more commonly known as a short, and you are not using the whole 10k you apply, you send erratic signals and its not an accurate method.
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From: Belair md
lol, geez, i wasnt expecting that for a response, actually i didnt know what to expect, but definatly not that. while i am a firm beleiver in the inline method i really am curious to see both styles done on a dyno on the same truck. it would be neat to see the actual differences on paper. i have heard reports of a 2-3 hp gain from the origonal method but i would be willing to bet on at least 10-15. if you can actually feel a diference in a 7 thousand pound vehicle then you have to have made more then 3 hp, dont you think?
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Alright how about this....Not sure where you heard 3 HP from the bypass method. I have not heard any numbers other than for the diode clamp version that claims its about the same as his 70hp SC tuner (SOTP) or something like that. I would be more interested in HPOP gains with both versions and various resistance levels.
I think both method create similar power gains but the problem is that there are not equal in resistance values. Both methods make for an inaccurate ICP signal, thats the whole point of the mod. inline the signal is always wrong and the bypass method is wrong when the ICP resistance is higher than the resistor used. neither cause a problematic signal to the PCM. Both trick the PCM into thinking the ICP pressures are lower than they should be so the PCM tells the IPR go higher to a higher DC. Perhaps I need a day with a scanner, pressure gauge and a bunch of resistors. Too bad I don't have that kind of time. Too many other things to do.
I think both method create similar power gains but the problem is that there are not equal in resistance values. Both methods make for an inaccurate ICP signal, thats the whole point of the mod. inline the signal is always wrong and the bypass method is wrong when the ICP resistance is higher than the resistor used. neither cause a problematic signal to the PCM. Both trick the PCM into thinking the ICP pressures are lower than they should be so the PCM tells the IPR go higher to a higher DC. Perhaps I need a day with a scanner, pressure gauge and a bunch of resistors. Too bad I don't have that kind of time. Too many other things to do.
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From: Belair md
i had read the 3 hp gain on this forum, i dont recall which topic though as its been awhile and others had talked about it as well, dont know who though,
- i can tell you this about the hpop demands, i did not overtax mine with the superchip, 22k, and eot mod in place.
-i did start to play with the resistors and numbers game, i never finished, perhaps i will work on that and get some numbers. i still havnt finished the exhaust backpressure readings yet either, i have alot of number data but no manual gauge data, all electronic.
- i can tell you this about the hpop demands, i did not overtax mine with the superchip, 22k, and eot mod in place.
-i did start to play with the resistors and numbers game, i never finished, perhaps i will work on that and get some numbers. i still havnt finished the exhaust backpressure readings yet either, i have alot of number data but no manual gauge data, all electronic.
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all i can say is when my buddys ride in my truck with even the 10k they say its slow mainly because of turbo lag but when i put the 22k resistor in oh my god it really makes a world of difference im gonna get it dynoed both ways cuz im curious myself -ive even tryed 14.7k , 15.6k ,20k but the kicker is the 22k for my truck
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I hooked up with a local diesel truck club (not FTE) here in ID. We're having a Dyno Day in May. This will be my first time attending / participating in a dyno run. $50 for three runs; $30 for three more on the same day. I might try to scrounge up $80 and run six different resistor combos to see what I get from each one. First run will be with no resistor.
I did the mod inline and am currently using the 14.7K resistor combo. I made up some other combos to try as well.
Coon, the only difference I did on my resistors is I cut in half some old BIC pens (with the white shaft) and taped them around the resistor/connectors for added strength. I figured the less bending of the resistor wires, the less chance they'll break. It also gives a firmer grip for removing and installing the different resistor combos.
I did the mod inline and am currently using the 14.7K resistor combo. I made up some other combos to try as well.
Coon, the only difference I did on my resistors is I cut in half some old BIC pens (with the white shaft) and taped them around the resistor/connectors for added strength. I figured the less bending of the resistor wires, the less chance they'll break. It also gives a firmer grip for removing and installing the different resistor combos.
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all i can say is when my buddys ride in my truck with even the 10k they say its slow mainly because of turbo lag but when i put the 22k resistor in oh my god it really makes a world of difference im gonna get it dynoed both ways cuz im curious myself -ive even tryed 14.7k , 15.6k ,20k but the kicker is the 22k for my truck
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From: Helena, MT
Thanks Joe for the inline method. I have mine hooked up with a 6 position switch that is run into the cab.
1. stock
2. 5.6k
3.10k
4. 13.3k
5. 15.6k
6. 20k
I like the 13.3k the best for everyday driving, idles fine, throttle response is much better and it runs smoother at highway speeds. I haven't played with the 20k too much but now that I have my guages installed I'll have to see what it will do.
Cody
1. stock
2. 5.6k
3.10k
4. 13.3k
5. 15.6k
6. 20k
I like the 13.3k the best for everyday driving, idles fine, throttle response is much better and it runs smoother at highway speeds. I haven't played with the 20k too much but now that I have my guages installed I'll have to see what it will do.
Cody
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