310 Hp Wtf?!!??!!
Posting Guru
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,486
Likes: 0
From: Iowa
They would get better mileage if the trucks didnt weigh 6000lbs, thats cause everyone wants trucks that have all these fancy options
for those of you that are saying your 78' bla bla bla gets 23 mpg.... throw a ton of sand in it and drive around ....i know it will get worse millage than these trucks do....
its cause all new trucks are fat pigs... for hauling people safely and comfortably...
for those of you that are saying your 78' bla bla bla gets 23 mpg.... throw a ton of sand in it and drive around ....i know it will get worse millage than these trucks do....
its cause all new trucks are fat pigs... for hauling people safely and comfortably...
Lead Driver
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,900
Likes: 3
From: Campbell River, B.C.
More weight does not automatically make a truck safer. And there are ways to make the interior components (like seats) lighter without costing as much as you might think, not that luxury items are really the loin's share of the added weight. By the same token, more weight in an older truck will not make as big a difference in MPG as you might think. Wind drag matters more on the highway.
Take a new ford F150 and park it next to that 1978 ford. Which one has the larger tires? Which one has the larger frontal cross section? I am one of those who brings up older trucks (including my 6.9L diesel) in conversations about MPG vs Hp that new engines offer. This is not something that always goes over well, but really, why is a 1978 ford getting BETTER MPG than the most advanced truck on the market.
This is a sad development in my opinion, sure new trucks are getting bigger and bigger with more and more power. But thats all they are at the end of the day, big and powerful. For all the extra high tech systems they still burn at least as much fuel as 30 year old trucks. Am I the only one who thinks something is wrong with this picture?
Take a new ford F150 and park it next to that 1978 ford. Which one has the larger tires? Which one has the larger frontal cross section? I am one of those who brings up older trucks (including my 6.9L diesel) in conversations about MPG vs Hp that new engines offer. This is not something that always goes over well, but really, why is a 1978 ford getting BETTER MPG than the most advanced truck on the market.
This is a sad development in my opinion, sure new trucks are getting bigger and bigger with more and more power. But thats all they are at the end of the day, big and powerful. For all the extra high tech systems they still burn at least as much fuel as 30 year old trucks. Am I the only one who thinks something is wrong with this picture?
Postmaster
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,511
Likes: 0
From: Marion, VA
Take a new ford F150 and park it next to that 1978 ford. Which one has the larger tires? Which one has the larger frontal cross section? I am one of those who brings up older trucks (including my 6.9L diesel) in conversations about MPG vs Hp that new engines offer. This is not something that always goes over well, but really, why is a 1978 ford getting BETTER MPG than the most advanced truck on the market.
I had two excellent 78 Ford Pickups back when they were still considered late models. One was a F-100 302/Automatic 4X2 and the other was a F-150 351/auto 4X2. They both has far less power and used more gas than my 04 F150 5.4/auto 4X4. The 04 is far quieter, smoother and will haul a much heavier load. Thank goodness they don't make them like they used to.
Lead Driver
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,900
Likes: 3
From: Campbell River, B.C.
I don't have any official data for the 1978 F150 that was mentioned. But if you look up the MPG ratings for the 1985 F150 and compare that to the 1992 F150 the older truck gets better MPG........why?
Both were manual transmission, 4.9L, 2wd.
I will not attempt to defend the MPG of a 302, I have one and its not good on fuel. Its reliable, but the best I ever got was 13 MPG (LPG kills some MPG though).
Both were manual transmission, 4.9L, 2wd.
I will not attempt to defend the MPG of a 302, I have one and its not good on fuel. Its reliable, but the best I ever got was 13 MPG (LPG kills some MPG though).
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make
Brett Foote
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!
Michael S. Palmer
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!
Joe Kucinski
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?
Brett Foote
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!
Michael S. Palmer
Posting Guru
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,486
Likes: 0
From: Iowa
rating scales might have changed.... they didnt fluff it as much....who knows.... i had an 82 f-150 4x4 reg cab short bed with the 4.9l.... the thing was a stump puller.... loved that truck to death....but it only got 13 mpg at best... and was extremely slow when compared to my current truck and it had trouble going over 80mph on the interstate....
Lead Driver
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,900
Likes: 3
From: Campbell River, B.C.
All the MPG estimates are adjusted to reflect the most recent standard of testing. If you click on the specific vehicle in the list of available versions, you will see the changes that were made to the mileage estimate.
Here they are:
Find a Car (1985 F150)
Find a Car (1992 F150)
The numbers show there is a big penalty in MPGs if you had the C6 auto.
Here they are:
Find a Car (1985 F150)
Find a Car (1992 F150)
The numbers show there is a big penalty in MPGs if you had the C6 auto.
Junior User
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
MPG shouldnt be an issue, people just need to stop using trucks as family cars and as haulers for things, and the ones that do use them as family haulers need to shut up about mpg... i use myne for everyday driving and i dont care about the mpg.. it is what it is... go get a damn hybrid...
Posting Guru
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,486
Likes: 0
From: Iowa
LOL Arabs taking our money...HAHA....lol we only get 20 percent of our oil from the east.... get your facts straight man... we make most of our own oil from the gulf..... its all about greedy damn Americans...
Postmaster
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,004
Likes: 1
From: North of Boston MA
I was able to find some stats ( Oil Industry Statistics from Gibson Consulting ) from 2004 that showed we produced domestically about 4.85 MBPD of the approximately 20 MBPD of crude oil that we use daily. That's about 24%. The rest comes from imports. Not all from Arab countries but a pretty large amount ( Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries ).
I think it is kind of funny you blaming "greedy Americans" for the high price of oil yet you brag about not caring about how much gas you use. Isn't that greed?
So, back on topic.....anyone been able to verify the HP numbers of the 2009?
Logistics Pro
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,512
Likes: 18
From: Detroit
Looks smelly....
I've owned Corvettes, a couple Chrysler Hemi cars including a 12-second Hemi Cuda--you run faster than that? Or is that an autocrosser truck?
Honestly, I dearly love trucks (and locomotives, and 747's) for the work they do, but it's kind of silly to hotrod them so they'll run as fast as a mid-range car, and they'll never go around a corner with exceptions like a Roush truck or a Lightning--but those are still no match for a Mustang GT. It's kind of like taking a Mustang and modifying it to carry 5,000 lbs of cargo or taking a hammer and modifying it to saw wood.... (An exception, and something I think would be fun, would be putting a big-inch small block into a Ranger with wheel tubs, keeping it quiet, and using it as a street sleeper...although I gave up street racing many years ago.)
I've owned Corvettes, a couple Chrysler Hemi cars including a 12-second Hemi Cuda--you run faster than that? Or is that an autocrosser truck?
Honestly, I dearly love trucks (and locomotives, and 747's) for the work they do, but it's kind of silly to hotrod them so they'll run as fast as a mid-range car, and they'll never go around a corner with exceptions like a Roush truck or a Lightning--but those are still no match for a Mustang GT. It's kind of like taking a Mustang and modifying it to carry 5,000 lbs of cargo or taking a hammer and modifying it to saw wood.... (An exception, and something I think would be fun, would be putting a big-inch small block into a Ranger with wheel tubs, keeping it quiet, and using it as a street sleeper...although I gave up street racing many years ago.)