We're not claiming all these things will get you a screamer, but add it all together and realistically you can get alot closer to that 300 hp...at the rear wheels. These trucks dyno out about 240 RWHP stock. A 30 ish HP gain is not unreasonable to expect with a Tuner, Intake, Exhaust. You can get even better with a SCT tuner, but that usually requires custom tuning on a Dyno. The only true way to get performance out of a Mod Motor (4.6 2v/3v, 5.4 2v/3v) is the bottle or Forced Induction.


Actually, the Edge website claims that rear wheel HP on a STOCK F150 is only 190 HP...Again, another FACT. then in Level III, it claims you get around 200 HP...Look at the dyno chart below. There are times in the power band it may be higher, but those are for but a split-second in time.
http://www.edgeproducts.com/product_...no_pdf-277.pdf

At 4750 RPM's, stock is 190HP, and Edge'd out, it actually looks like 199HP. $500.00 including tax for 9hp? Blowers bump you horsies about 250 at the Rear Wheels.

 

okay, maybe I should have said less restriction rather than "better airflow". if it's easier for the engine to breathe, the less parasitic HP losses occur. The stock system can breathe all the air the truck will ever need. But how much effort is required?

I don't believe every word they say. in fact, I'm sure the gains they post are in conjunction with a tuner. but I am realistic, and every little part helps.

btw, I read your post. you had the Edge for what...about 30 minutes? So better shift points and the ability to spin the tires is all you noticed? I can spin my tires off the line easily...stock PCM programming (3.73 LS). Better shift points would be really nice though. People won't spend $450 on a product unless it works. Those 2 things you've mentioned aren't enough.

I've programmed my Mustang, and the difference was night and day. Went from an anemic power band to having to a rip-roaring tire roaster in 1st and really cleaned up 2nd gear fun. Obviously I'm not expecting the same from my truck, but slightly similar benefits can be achieved.

Regardless of what you think, the Throttle Response change was dramatic with the Volant install. You'd be surprised with the # of people who have seen the same result

 

I had the Edge installed and running for about 5 hours. About the same time a car magazine would. There were 2 of us tweaking it, and recording times even. Not using the Edge's timers, but a stopwatch, my 0-60 times in Level II only dropped .27...

 

btw, I read your post. you had the Edge for what...about 30 minutes? So better shift points and the ability to spin the tires is all you noticed? I can spin my tires off the line easily...stock PCM programming (3.73 LS). Better shift points would be really nice though. People won't spend $450 on a product unless it works. Those 2 things you've mentioned aren't enough.

BTW, I'm in Colorado...Above 6000 feet in altitude. HUGE difference between here, and Hawaii. Ain't no air up here.

 

take a chill pill and rethink/research what you just said. wow, you post something, I reply, and then you go ape. There is no "good 'ol boys club" either. It's simply people putting out what they have found to be the best setup. Tuner, CAI, Exhaust.

you really should research what you spout. care to make any more unsubstaniated claims?


actually, I can take any F-150 I want and make it get significanltly less HP. It's quite easy. or any other truck...be it Tundra, Titan, Ram. Get the motor nice and hot and then make a dyno run. heat makes the engine less efficient and lose HP. You can manipulate Dyno #'s any way you want. Hell, go 1 day in the A.M. and come back the next in the P.M. You can get results of 10hp or more difference.

vs actually doing the dyno properly while the engine is "cold". ever wonder why people drag race while the engine is relatively cold? or why their engines don't have a coolant system? because the engine makes max power while "cold" and there is no need for it.

btw, 250 rwhp with a blower is so wrong it ain't even funny. the Roush gets people about 350 RWHP when "stock", and there are quite a few people who are easily over 400 RWHP with a pulley, tune and headers.

Roush's Supercharger Kit For 05-08 F-150
Ford Racing F-150 Supercharger Kit
so, even accounting for your 100 hp loss, these trucks would still easily have 350-360 RWHP


a higher A/F mixure means the mixture is LEANER. Normally, a 12-14 A/F mixture is considered safe. A motor makes MORE HP LEANED OUT THAN IT DOES WHEN RICH. Running rich sucks huge amounts of HP away. Only problem is that the motor runs hotter when lean and that can damage the engine. So you have to balance them out. Remember the days of pulling spark plugs constantly to check for that perfect "chocolate" brwon on them? or how the car would run like a bat out of hell in the mornings, but sluggish in the afternoon. carbs suck. Luckily the EFI of today is adaptive. Ford programs a very conservatice A/F mix to cover all situations. All programmers move the A/F mix more towards the limit to maximize HP.

and yes, I agree that you altitude in Colorado will have a huge effect on power gains.

 

The 250rwhp with a blower was a typo...I meant 450rwhp. A blower, turbo, or bottle will give you more power. cai, and exhaust are nothing more than gimmicks, and a programmer isn;t worth the money for the hp gains. There's my opinion. Glad you were able to find my typo. Anaheim Drew is running 450 horsies with his blown F150.

P.S. A HIGHER A/F mixture indicates a higher amount of both fuel and air. Guess you make typos too. You meant to say "A higher Air TO Fuel mixture" is achieved with a programmer.

 

that explains alot, I was wondering how you were getting 250 hp with a blower...cool, yep Drew's truck makes me drool...and I prefer the lifted trucks

I think we're saying the same thing, but differently, the airflow remains the same...the only variable is the fuel mixture. thus the "higher" A/F ratio. airflow appears to go up, but it's really just due to the lower amount of fuel for the application

 

You guys sound like an old married couple bickering........

 

dang, we did didn't we

 

Yea, but if only I could find a knowledgeable truck woman!! Something very hot about a woman trucker!!!