What I didn't mention is I'm at or near WOT and running at 70+mph @ 4200-4400 rpms in 2nd. If I hit them in third at 2800 it doesn't work so well, as I end up playing catch up for the next 3/4 of a mile. (these are not long sustained hills, they are short and steep. I also run between 60-65 on the flats for saftey reasons along with times that I'm decending the hills. Once at or near the bottem of the larger hills, I lay into it so I can get the ol' V10 into the sweet spot (ie, get my rpms where they need to be).

 

I don't think the superduties are any better than the HD's of the 90's. Sure they have more bells and whistles, but that won't get you down the road. If I had to drive for a year without opening the hood then I've got the truck for the job. The 460 is a rock. To me the v10 is a good engine, but still not in same category for reliability as older proven engines like the 7.3/460. Too many posters with v10 problems that seem to be costly to repair. The down side of the 460 is fuel mileage. It never saw a gas station it didn't like.

 

The Super Duties have a higher towing capacity, payload capacity, stronger frame, etc. etc. They ARE better than the old HDs.

That being said, the HDs were still a pretty good truck. As for the reliability, sure, the V-10 has had a couple of complaints in the spark plug dept., but counting posts on this forum is not going to give you an accurate guage on reliability. I think its typical to get an extra 100,000 miles out of these modulars before a rebuild compared to the 460. That might outweigh the reliability issue.

I have yet to hear of a V10 that left somebody sitting on the side of the road...

 

I'll let someone else explain better atributes between the truck itself, but the 460 is in no way any more reliable than the V10, that's nothing more than a blanket statement with no backbone. The single largest problem with mod engines were the early plug issues and those could be avoided with a little precautionary maintenence. Other than that the COPs are basic and easy to replace (diagnosing is sometimes a little tough) but they are every bit as reliable and more effiecent than a distrubuter that needs cleaning an rebuilding every so often! The rest is nothing more than electircal or vacume! which I will remind you that your beloved 460 wont run right with out either of those items in proper working order. The difference is that OBDII on the V10 will actually through a code and tell you right away that something isn't right and help you diagnose what the problem is were as OBDI with the later 460s was very limited and realy didn't acomplish anything other than turning on a light if things were seriously wrong. You could drive around for months with a 460 not running right and never know it untill you hooked up to a trailer and relized you were down on power because the OBDI wasn't really worth a hoot.

I would even go as far as saying that the v10 is a better engine. It's smoother, more powerfull, has more torque, has a wider flatter power band, gets beter economy, burns extremely clean, is known to last between 200k-400k miles, and isn't known as an oil burner. I think you have no right judging the V10 when you haven't had much experience with them. I have experience with 460 and listen to the same mumbo jumbo from my dad whom still owns one in a late model F350 Dually. Feel frre to ask him about mileage and although he'll argue the power, the same hills I run 70 mph on he can only do 55-60mph flat on the floor, that comes back to that narrow power band.


Just for reference, my 3/4 ton short box weighs over 1k lbs more than his 1 ton long box dually, and that has very little to do with bells and whistles!

 

The only blown up V10s I can recall have all been signs of hydrolock, which is an injector issue, not an engine issue. The same thing could very well happen to any late model EFI 460.

Also, I hunt out of a 97 psd regulary and can also attest that the HVAC system (especialy the defroster) is much improved in the newer trucks. Heck, the guy that owns it keeps small ice scrappers in each door pocket so you can do the inside windows when you cann't see anymore. I think my 03' CC leaves something to be desired in the summer but it sure a step in the right direction from the previous generation trucks.

 

Hey, look at that - 1500 posts, go figure! (just a little senseless post paddding, lol)!!!

 

Where's the beer?

 

Well both motors are good hows that. THE 460 has a great rep in my book. The top three gas motors Ford ever put in a pickup are the 300 six,390 an 460. You can use an abuse those motors an they never quit. You can go 200,000 plus with those with reg maintenance an no problem. The V-10 is getting a good rep there too wit many doing that too. You got to own a superduty to appreciate that truck. There sweet an the best HD truck on the market today.

 

Ok, you want reliability and power get a newer turboed 7.3L, somewhere in the 2000-2003 range

 

I was just answering Me Mickey C when he asked what was most reliable,easiest maintain. My answer was 7.3/460 imo and he's only pulling 8500#. If the v10 is around for 20-30 years then it will have a good rep also.

 

I don't know how you figure the 460 is more reliable than the V10. Thats actually the reason people have the V10 for the reliability. Fact is stock for stock the V10 will outpull the 460 and still get better mpg. You can get the same options on a SD as you could a HD, Ford just added extra options for the higher end packages. My XLT has nothing on it that you couldn't get on an HD. I like the 460 too but it is not in the same league as the 6.8l. Since 99' we've had 3 6.8l V10 in my family and none of them took anything but reg maint, well OK manifold studs at 70k on my dads truck buts that Fords fault and not the V10. Go pull with a V10 maybe your opnion would change slightly.

 

Parts availablity, ease of access, ease of common sense backyard mechanic...the 460 is the mill to get.


I can say this since i have a 93 F250 ex cab 4x4 with a now brand new 460 crate engine that took the place of the previous 460. I also own a '00F350 with the V10....I honestly cant say the V10 is any better than the 460 in the other truck, same crappy gas milage, but the 460 flat out smoke my v10 in all performance aspects, smokes it. tons more grunt, accelerates from a roller and leaves the V10 eating dust. Granted it has more cubes than the V10 so it should be better off, but i wish my super duty had the 460 in it...that thing is a monster..my V10 does get the job done, I cant say i've ever been let down, but from my experience with my work trucks, these two engines are not even in the same class to be compared...460 is my vote.

 

although, the 3v V10 in the newer trucks would compare a lot better to your 460. but once again, it's all personal preference. if i wasn't going to school for 2 + years just to learn about new engines and whatnot, i'd be all for the 460, too. it's just much more simple and easy to work on

 

I had an 88 F250 SC 4x4 460. It was close to a ton lighter than the 05 F350
I now own. My 05 3 valve V10 in a heavier truck, pulls my 12000 pound fiver much better and with better fuel economy than my old 460 pulled the 8000 pound fiver I had back then.
I agree the V10 and the 460 are not in the same class.
The V10 is a first class gas engine, the poor old 460 is a distant second class.

 

When i'm towing i just set the cruise & let it go, 65 mph in 5th gear ( 2,400rpm ) climbs up & down the hills no problem. i don't have to down shift to climb a hill, i don't have to pick up speed on the down side of one hill so that i can make it up the next one, i just set the cruise & let it go

PS: .could someone please tell me what is a modular engine