Coming soon: I just spent some time digging through a friend's collection of old magazines. Any roadtests of both the EFI460 and V10 trucks I wrote down. I found a lot of them, although, they are probably more out there I didn't find. Some list actual rear wheel horsepower& torque numbers vs. factory ratings, and some list 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times. VERY interesting. I'll have to post some of this data. It probably would be better as an article. It'll take a while to post it all. I'm still getting everything together and deciding how to proceed. I've had both :EFI460, and now (two) 3v V10s. The later 2v V10s (the 310hp/425 lb.ft. engines), and 3v V10s are a lot more powerful/quicker than my beloved 460, but early 275hp V10s(pre-2000)it was a toss up. The 275hp jobs needed 4.30:1s instead of the standard 3.73:1s , which according to literature back in the day, held the V10 back. I've drove a 2004 V10 with 3.73:1s, back in October of '04. It felt just as powerful/ quick as I remember my stock EFI460 I bought back in December of '94, if not more so. It's kinda not a good idea to spin the tires with a salesman in the passenger seat, you know? And for all you 5.4L owners out there that think I'm not a 5.4L fan: you're VERY WRONG! The 5.4L(both the 2v&3v engines) actually DO come close, and in some tests best the EFI460 in rear wheel power. That's technology for you! Proof positive Ford engineers are doing their jobs. Kudos to those folks! Back in the 1990s, however, you ask anybody what THE Ford engine of choice was for for heavy towing, heavy hauling, or just flat out haulin' was, and 95% of them will say '460'. A 460 F-250HD, or F-350 was in the top five of the quickest 4x4s of it's day. Look how far we've come. I want to buy another EFI460 pickup to restore someday. Tow it to all the shows with one of my V10s. FORD power, gotta love it!!!!

 

Everything is written down in a journal. I found 10 roadtests of EFI460 pickups, and 12 roadtests of V10 pickups. There are probably a lot more, but this should be a good sampling of tests.Some were 4x4 trucks, some were 4x2s. As for two wheel drive trucks, for the EFI460 I found these : Four Wheeler August 1990

Vehicle tested : F-350 super cab (4x2)(yes, in a 4x4 magazine!)DRW (155"wb)

factory ratings :230(net)@3,600rpm
390 lb./ft.@2,200rpm

rear wheel horsepower:160@3,500rpm
rear wheel torque:241.6 lb./ft.@2,500rpm

0-60:11.99 seconds
1/4 mile: 18.47@72.3mph



Super Ford Magazine: August 1992

Vehicle tested: F-250HD 4x2 regular cab (133"wb)

factory ratings :230/390

0-60: 9.3 seconds
1/4 mile:17.1@80.14mph



I found two roadtests for V10 4x2 Super Duty pickups.

Motor Trend : September 1998

Vehicle tested: F-250 regular cab 4x2(137"wb)
factory ratings : 275@4,250rpm
410 lb./ft.@2,750rpm

0-60:7.9 seconds
1/4 mile:16.1@83.7mph


Truck Trend : April 2000

Vehicle tested: F-250 regular cab 4x2(137")
factory ratings:275/410
0-60: 8 seconds
1/4 mile: 16.1@85.7mph

It should be noted both V10 trucks were fitted with 3.73:1 gears, the F-350sc 460 with 4.10:1s, and the '92 460 rc with only 3.55:1s. In 4x4 trucks the performance was much closer, but clearly in 4x2 trucks, the V10 was quicker. I'll have to post some of the 4x4 EFI460& V10 pickups' test numbers. Some magazines actually tested rear wheel power, but some did not. Enjoy.

 

for sake of argument, the v10 trucks were regular cab with 3:73s and one 460 was a heavy 1 ton with super cab and one was a regular cab BUT with only 3:55 gears. i don't think the 1 ton 460 truck is a good comparison and the regular cab 460 truck would be a LITTLE quicker with 3:73s, but, yeah, it's undeniable. even with matching gears, i'd have to think the regular cab v10 would be significantly quicker than the 460. good research!

 

You know, one of the roadtests I found on a EFI460 pickup, was in Four Wheeler's July 1991 issue. They tested a regular cab F-250HD 4x4 with a E4OD and optional 4.10:1 gears. The truck tested went 0-60 in 10.83 seconds and ran the 1/4 mile in 16.91@86.2 mph. What was really eye opening is that they dynoed the 230/390 460 and rear wheel horsepower was 185@3,500rpm, but the torque was 407(!)@2,000rpm. I wonder if they had(then) SVO's EFI460 camshaft in it? Most EFI460s in tests I saw had , on average, 160-170 rear wheel horsepower, and usually torque in the 270-around 300 lb./ft. range at the wheels. You know what they say, 10 different dynos, will yield 10 set of numbers, but I've seen the later 245/400 460s get over 340 lb./ft. at the wheels and as high as 200 rear wheel ponies. Not bad, considering a 245 factory rating to begin with. I know, Ford, in mid-1993, was tweaking the 460 for more power. That's why I waited until 1994 to get mine. For most of the EFI460 4x4 tests I found, the trucks tested were regular cabs, usually with optional 4.10s. One test was for a F-350 regular cab, but with the standard 3.55s. Most of the V10 4x4 pickup tests I found were super cabs, crew cabs, and one supercab DRW. The Super Duty trucks are also heavier than previous models. So , yeah, it's a toss up. Sometimes, the EFI460 turned better times, but sometimes the heavier Super Duty V10s would have better times. In every test I looked at the magazines tested a V10 truck with 3.73s in '99-'00. It kinda hard to pit a crew cab F-350 single rear wheel pickup V10s with 3.73s up against a lighter K-3500 454 extended cab,DRW, with, uh 4.56:1s. On test had such a comparison. That's just a bit unfair now isn't it? In comparisons between the EFI460 & 454 Chevy, in the five comparisons I saw the 460 came out first four out of five! The V10, given optional 4.30.1s would've done much better. The quickest 460 4x4 test I saw was that Four Wheeler July '91 roadtest. The quickest V10 4x4 test was a recent Truck Trend test of a 3v v10 in a F-250 supercab 4x4 FX4. It did 0-60 in 8.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 16.4@83.1mph. On average, the 2v V10 in a 4x4 truck had 0-60 times in the 9.5-9.7 range, but some were 11-12 seconds.(?!) The quickest 0-60 time for a EFI460 pickup I saw 10.2 seconds in a Popular Mechanics May 1990 roadtest vs. a 454 Chevy pickup. It was quicker than the 454.It didn't state if the test 460 pickup had 3.55s or optional 4.10s, but I'll guess 4.10s. That1992 4x2 EFI460, given 4.10s, instead of 3.55s, probably would've turned 0-60 times under 9 seconds(8.8/8.9)and dipped into the 16s in the 1/4 mile. I tried to find a magazine article comparing a '97 EFI460 pickup vs. a '99 V10 pickup , but I guess none exist. I even SUGGESTED to magazines, back then, they do such a comparison. I never found one in print. Granted, these numbers from the many magazines really don't mean anything, but it was fun to research, having owned both engines. Technology isn't so bad, after all.

 

Here's how my 460- gets tested. It's 90 degrees out and picking up hay by hand with about 120 bales on 18ft flat and 40-50 on truck and trying to not lose any trying to turn and go back uphill and daughter driving with ac on and windows down so she can hear us and the engine running as cool as a cucumber and not worrying about the truck while working in adverse conditions. 0-60 times, just one of many ways to compare trucks.

 

Ah, yes. Trucks are really for work. Sometimes I forget that.

 

now 460 vs. 454 is a good comparison. lol i've got nothing against chevys but i'm definitely all for the 460 in this case! the v10 is kind of its own class.. however i wonder how ford's v10 stacks up against the dodge v10? i didnt look for any threads on that yet..

 

It puts out more torque, but it hasn't been put in the trucks for quite some time now so it's a non-issue.

Actually, in a very real sense, Dodge doesn't make "that" V10 anymore. There's the one in the Viper, which I understand is a completely different animal in most respects.

One funny thing about the Dodge V10 - It's an odd-fire setup. Just like the first Buick V6's were odd-fire. 60 degree firing, 90 degree V. The distributor caps for those V6's looked just like a V8 - missing two posts. There was empty space for them. Which means, overall, the thing must have had some interesting vibrations. It really was a V8 with just two cylinders gone.

With the Dodge V10, they don't do the split-pin crankshaft design, so they have what amounts to a 90-degrees between certain cylinders, but only 72 between others. At least, that's the way I assume, I do know they didn't do the split-pin thing.

Later on, that odd-fire V6 went to a split-pin design. Which was fun for the Buick Grand National turbo motor... people would push too much through them, and they'd crack right at the crank-pin. I know, because I saw plenty of those cranks at my machinist's shop when I used to visit twice a week

 

I found three tests comparing the Ford V10 vs. Dodge V10. Two were from the pages of Truck Trend. The first was in the April 1998 issue, a few months after the '99 Super Duty was introduced. They didn't list any numbers. It was kinda the Ford V10 new kid on the block sort of comparison.Basically, compared exterior design, interiors, that sort of stuff. Motor Trend did a V10 comparison in their September 1998 issue. The Ford came out on top 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile, but they said the Dodge V10 felt stronger in mid-range power. The 0-60 time for the F-250 regular cab tested(4R100 trans/3.73:1 axle gears) was 7.9 seconds. The 1/4 mile it went 16.1@83.7mph.The Dodge V10 truck's times were: 8 seconds to 60,and 16.2@83.5 in the quarter. It, too was a 4x2 truck, but an extended cab version. The third V10 vs. V10 test I found was in Truck Trend's October 2001 issue pitting 4x4 dually pickups from the Big Three against one another.I listed these 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times in another post awhile back. I'm still searching for a 460 vs. 454 vs. Dodge V10 comparison test from 1994 onward, but since I haven't found one, maybe they weren't compared when new? I read from a 1995 issue of Four Wheeler(I forget which month) that the first fullsize 4x4 pickup they got to go under 10 seconds from 0-60 was not a 454 Chevy, V10 Dodge, nor the Ford 460, but a 7.3L PowerStroke F-250. Hmmm. I don't know about THAT. When my EFI460 was new, I had a friendly "contest" with a friend where I was working at at the time who just bought one of the first PowerStroke diesels in our area. a white, regular cab F-350 XL with a 5-speed manual. (A "19941/2" model which was manual only). I had to hear a weeks worth of what a 'slow' 'gas hog' I had, etc., etc. It was CLOSE, but I had his truck by about 3/4 of a truck length. Of course, his excuse was he had to shift, while my pickup had the E4OD. Hey, I had an XLT, extra weight vs. his XL. So that ended that argument that day. Then, of course, if I got out earlier, and saw him walking to his pickup, I'd floor it pulling out of the parking lot, spinning my 16" General Ameriways for 100ft-ha.ha. It would be "You and that tire spinnin' gas hog 460...blah, blah, blah." Then there was the supercharger, dual 3" exhaust system,Flowmasters, custom "chip", and aftermarket cam. Geez, I should've kept that truck! NOTHING, I mean no other pickup(and a few cars) dared to come up on that truck's rear bumper. Accelerating, uh, no, it was more like launching a 5,000 lb.+ brick. Problem was "work trucks" were never intended by Ford to go fast in. The E4OD said bye-bye after a few months, and the bottom end developed a loud knock. Hey, at least the head gaskets were fine! I can look back and laugh now, but it was expensive. I mean, so what if your ride is a bit slower? After all, it WAS a work truck. Stock(it wasn't for long.....)it did okay for it's day. It would pull a freakin' house off it's foundation if asked to do so. It accelerated well enough, and spun the tires with ease. Heck, if I kept it stock, or mostly stock, I'd still have the damn thing. This trip, when I find a EFI460 pickup(to restore), I'm going to go mild. No more superchargers for me.

 

I'm guessing the offset firing order is in leiu(sp?) of a balance shaft.

A 90* V10 is a naturally un-balanced motor..........90X10=900 does not go into the optimal 360.




As far as this argument goes: I've owned a carbed '85 460 with an Edelbrock cam/intake/DT headers/pre '70 timing gear set with a C-6.....an '89 EFI 460 with a 5 speed manual....and currently an '01 V10 with 4.30's.

I'm not a macho constuction worker but I have towed the same weight boats/campers with the trucks. I use Baker Grade between Vegas and LA as the measuring stick.

There is no comparison............the V10 walks the 460's.


I will say the modded 460 was hampered by the 3 speed and 4.10's....great off the line power but just ran outta breath way too early.

 

I recently found another test for a EFI460 pickup. In the July '93 issue of Petersen's 4-Wheel&Off-Road it had a big-block comparison between a 460 & 454. The Ford was a F-250HD regular cab 4x4. It was the same test vehicle PHR magazine used in it's March '93 tow vehicle comparison. 4WOR's 1/4 mile for the 460 pickup was 17.26@77.53 mph. The Chevy 454 turned a 18.4 something at like 72 mph, which seemed to puzzle the testers. It listed the 460 as being a 230hp/390 lb./ft. of torque version, but it mid-1993 Ford upgraded the EFI460(245/400). Maybe it was the 245-horse 460 they actually tested???? Still, in most every(if not all) the 460vs.454 tests I viewed, the 460 always came out on top. I know GM upped the 454("Vortec 7400") to 290hp/410 lb./ft. of torque in 1996, but interestlngly, they never had a comparison road test between it and a 460(that I'm aware of....). I have it on a good source Ford actually upped the 460 to about 260-270 hp for '96-'97 engines,but with all the hype for the then new Triton V10 in 1997 Econoline(265hp/410) Ford kept the 460's avertised ratings at 245/400. Another interesting observation: GM never put up it's 8.1L to a 3-valve V10 Ford. There was a dually test, but the V10 was the 2v(310/425) version. No Dodge V10 vs. 3-valve Ford V10 was possible, because after 2003 models, Dodge, for some odd reason, chose to drop it's V10 from it's 2500/3500 series. I'm still looking for a Ford 460vs. Chevy 454 vs. Dodge V10 big-block comparision test from 1994,1995, or 1996. Does one even exist???? I know Four Wheeler had planned one, but I don't think they had one.

 

Yeh the 460 is a workhorse an excellent motor for a truck. Lots off low end torque an very durable. Ive had a 460 on a irrigation well for twenty years now an hasnt missed a beat yet.18,000 hrs. One tough motor. If I had to replace it I would get a Ford V 10 which is available for industrial applications. Its safe to say both motors are the best truck motors around that get the job done an will run forever with proper care.Excellent posts vee10td. I learned alot there.

 

Holy old thread Batman. This was from February 2008.

 

460 is more buildable right now. you can make a 460 outperform the v10 pretty easy, but if v10 stuff ever catches on it would be a toss up.

I wish to get my v10 running as good as others, then i might not miss the 460 so much

 

This thread is excellent. Should be made a sticky somewhere. Very good info here. Krewat what do you think.