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. . . . The point of my post is that people are morons. You and I both know that your Ex is pretty much an F250 with a covered rear and gas mileage is about the same. Still there will be people that berate you for a gas guzzler Ex because it is an SUV. If it were a truck, it would not be a gas guzzler. Once again, because of the SUV label, it is by default a gas guzzler. Reality has little to do with it.
[/QUOTE]well said !
[/QUOTE]well said !
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From: Southern Tier New York
Originally Posted by 6686L
Specifically, are our Excursions based on a 250 chassis or a 350 chassis ?
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Originally Posted by 6686L
I am confused. I thought the Ford "250" series meant the 3/4 ton truck chassis. And I further thought that the Ford "350" was the one ton...and further..that except for the stupid "way too soft" springs in our Excursions...they are 1 ton "350" series trucks underneath the sheet metal.. ? ? ?
The springs on a SD F250 are 2" taller than that on the EX it was done that way so women could get in the SUV easier!!! don't believe me park and EX next to an F-250 both 4X4 and measure it!!
Originally Posted by 6686L
I am confused. I thought the Ford "250" series meant the 3/4 ton truck chassis. And I further thought that the Ford "350" was the one ton...and further..that except for the stupid "way too soft" springs in our Excursions...they are 1 ton "350" series trucks underneath the sheet metal.. ? ? ?
The springs on a SD F250 are 2" taller than that on the EX it was done that way so women could get in the SUV easier!!! don't believe me park and EX next to an F-250 both 4X4 and measure it!!
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Originally Posted by 6686L
Post like the above confirm my prejudice that our educational system has failed miserably. The inability to express oneself with precision, coupled with emotional "belief" systems that show a dislike for obtaining technical knowledge, is the mark of a culture headed down-hill.
First of all, motors do not "like". Here's a late news flash. "To Like" is a verb. Inanimate objects do not have feelings. They neither "like" nor "dislike". They simply exist, and what happens to them, is simply a function of how you behave towards them.
Secondly, I am unclear where this "poster" got the idea that some of us think applying full power UNDER LOAD will cause critical damage. I certainly made no such statement - my earlier comments were directed towards those who "race" motors WITHOUT the normal "loads" of moving the vehicle.
Occasional "full power" accelleration will not hurt the motor or transmission of any modern (meaning post 1940's) vehicle. Even more so with vehicles of the last few years, that have all kinds of electronic sensors that will prevent over-reving, and will also react to save the engine from damage, if they detect lower oil pressure or higher than appropriate temperatures.
The idea that you need to "blow out carbon" is one of many silly justifications by people who are little kids mentally, who want an excuse to make noise and provide a substitute for their lack of man-hood. Yes, there was a time when motors would "carbon up", requiring frequent valve jobs and spark-plug changes. This was a product of a combination of technical issues that have not existed for well over 70 years. Since the early 1930's, we have had ever-cleaner burning fuel, motor oil additives, ever high compression ratios, and ever improved induction air and oil filters. Yes, as late as the 1950's, when I trained as an automotive machinest, we were still seeing "sludged up" and "carboned up" on some of the older cars where the owners either didn't choose to use modern oils, and/or didnt change their engine oil at all! None of this is relevant today - motors with 300,000 miles on them typically can come apart with NO sludge or carbon.
Bottom line - kids today KNOW what they want to do..make noise and show off.
First of all, motors do not "like". Here's a late news flash. "To Like" is a verb. Inanimate objects do not have feelings. They neither "like" nor "dislike". They simply exist, and what happens to them, is simply a function of how you behave towards them.
Secondly, I am unclear where this "poster" got the idea that some of us think applying full power UNDER LOAD will cause critical damage. I certainly made no such statement - my earlier comments were directed towards those who "race" motors WITHOUT the normal "loads" of moving the vehicle.
Occasional "full power" accelleration will not hurt the motor or transmission of any modern (meaning post 1940's) vehicle. Even more so with vehicles of the last few years, that have all kinds of electronic sensors that will prevent over-reving, and will also react to save the engine from damage, if they detect lower oil pressure or higher than appropriate temperatures.
The idea that you need to "blow out carbon" is one of many silly justifications by people who are little kids mentally, who want an excuse to make noise and provide a substitute for their lack of man-hood. Yes, there was a time when motors would "carbon up", requiring frequent valve jobs and spark-plug changes. This was a product of a combination of technical issues that have not existed for well over 70 years. Since the early 1930's, we have had ever-cleaner burning fuel, motor oil additives, ever high compression ratios, and ever improved induction air and oil filters. Yes, as late as the 1950's, when I trained as an automotive machinest, we were still seeing "sludged up" and "carboned up" on some of the older cars where the owners either didn't choose to use modern oils, and/or didnt change their engine oil at all! None of this is relevant today - motors with 300,000 miles on them typically can come apart with NO sludge or carbon.
Bottom line - kids today KNOW what they want to do..make noise and show off.
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From: Montoursville, PA
Originally Posted by 6686L
The idea that you need to "blow out carbon" is one of many silly justifications by people who are little kids mentally, who want an excuse to make noise and provide a substitute for their lack of man-hood. Yes, there was a time when motors would "carbon up", requiring frequent valve jobs and spark-plug changes. This was a product of a combination of technical issues that have not existed for well over 70 years. Since the early 1930's, we have had ever-cleaner burning fuel, motor oil additives, ever high compression ratios, and ever improved induction air and oil filters. Yes, as late as the 1950's, when I trained as an automotive machinest, we were still seeing "sludged up" and "carboned up" on some of the older cars where the owners either didn't choose to use modern oils, and/or didnt change their engine oil at all! None of this is relevant today - motors with 300,000 miles on them typically can come apart with NO sludge or carbon.
This paragraph is proof that you, sir, are no mechanic, and furthermore that your experience with vehicles is surprisingly minimal for someone so old and wise. I can assure you that my V12 Jaguar (with 11.5:1 compression) does carbon up after driving it like a grandpa for a while. I can also assure you that I have done head gaskets on "modern" cars (newest one I suppose was 1995), and carbon buildup does, still, exist. So does sludge - although that is generally caused by people not changing their oil.
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I have to weigh in on the "carbon" issue. 6686L, I have a Cadillac DTS with the 32 valve Northstar engine. Trust me, it carbons up very badly. But even so, I don't WOT it to clean the carbon out, like the guys in the Cadillac forums recommend. About twice a month I take it up to about 60 mph and then stomp the accelerator pedal 60% to 70% of wide open throttle. Quite a show in the rear view mirror.
And in 1973 I had a Plymouth Gran Fury 440 police package that had to be "dusted out" every shift. And the city police had Dodge Monacos with the 383 engines they simply couldn't keep running without also taking them out of the city and dusting them out several times a day on a major highway.
And in 1973 I had a Plymouth Gran Fury 440 police package that had to be "dusted out" every shift. And the city police had Dodge Monacos with the 383 engines they simply couldn't keep running without also taking them out of the city and dusting them out several times a day on a major highway.
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My wife and Her Brother and mom went to Parrie Island this last tuesday and came back this morning . They took My Excursion which is a 7.3 L and went 1600 miles round trip and it cost $350.00 in fuel. I think that is great! what do you think?
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No no no, he's right, new motors dont build up any carbon in them! The cam and crank position sensors, along with those fancy pants knock sensors and mass airflow meters command the motor like god to run 100% efficiently leaving no deposits behind at all ever!
OOPS I guess not?
http://www.sallerson.org/miata/pickle/pickleblog2.htm
Maybe this is a prototype hemispherical chamber with 4 valves froma 1930s cadillac? Or maybe its just a 90s honda?
^^Couple pics i found on google in 2 seconds to show the carbopn buildup in the cumbustion chamber, tops of pistons, and the backs of valves.
Sometimes a motor burning oil will have a large buildup in the combustion chambers also, like the #6 piston on all my 302/351 bronco's.
Below are some pics of what happens when you use junk oil and or dont change your oil like yoru supposed to. But this isnt sludge, a pixie must have come by and sprinkles ixie dust into the oil and thats what caused it to get all thick and sludgey. This is ona newer honda too by the way.
^^Story on this was a lady came in with a knocking motor and wanted it replaced under warranty but had no receipts for oil changes or maintenance. Seems its cause she never changed the oil in 30 or 40K or something wild. I forgot all the details but thats teh basic jist of it. Oh, her claim was denied due to improper maintenance!
Last, I'd liek to encourage anyone that uses penzoil to STOP using it, as it has a reputation for leaving sludge like this. I persoanlly like castrol GTX for a basic non synthetic oil
OOPS I guess not?
http://www.sallerson.org/miata/pickle/pickleblog2.htm
Maybe this is a prototype hemispherical chamber with 4 valves froma 1930s cadillac? Or maybe its just a 90s honda?
^^Couple pics i found on google in 2 seconds to show the carbopn buildup in the cumbustion chamber, tops of pistons, and the backs of valves.
Sometimes a motor burning oil will have a large buildup in the combustion chambers also, like the #6 piston on all my 302/351 bronco's.
Below are some pics of what happens when you use junk oil and or dont change your oil like yoru supposed to. But this isnt sludge, a pixie must have come by and sprinkles ixie dust into the oil and thats what caused it to get all thick and sludgey. This is ona newer honda too by the way.
^^Story on this was a lady came in with a knocking motor and wanted it replaced under warranty but had no receipts for oil changes or maintenance. Seems its cause she never changed the oil in 30 or 40K or something wild. I forgot all the details but thats teh basic jist of it. Oh, her claim was denied due to improper maintenance!
Last, I'd liek to encourage anyone that uses penzoil to STOP using it, as it has a reputation for leaving sludge like this. I persoanlly like castrol GTX for a basic non synthetic oil
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Ive talked to a few friends that work at shops and they swear penzoil is the one that leaves crazy sludge. I woulndt doubt quaker state doing it to.
Valvoline is supposed to be pretty good stuff according to a couple people i know that own shops. I think i just preffer my castrol cause they have cool commercials and sponsor john force lol. Oh, and the oils good too! Especially the "german castrol"
Valvoline is supposed to be pretty good stuff according to a couple people i know that own shops. I think i just preffer my castrol cause they have cool commercials and sponsor john force lol. Oh, and the oils good too! Especially the "german castrol"
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The only thing (unless my plans turn completely upside down) that will affect me is if they RATION the gas.
I don't drive much anyway and I do NOT go through a tank a week so I'm good.
I was in Sweden around 76 or so when they rationed gas. What the people in the US don't realize is that if they don't get the **** together, it'll all come crashing down and it will.
The reason i'm saying the US is because we all drive big vehicles here. Mind you, this is the biggest I've had but even my Rodeo at 17mpg was way too much I thought.
My Volvo that would carry the same load would give me double or so.
Besides, I want a second X in diesel so if I get my money, this would be perfect
Put some big *** tires on the truck and drive over the water to arab country and buy some cheap gas. We should make our first trip to Iraq or some f****** place
George
I don't drive much anyway and I do NOT go through a tank a week so I'm good.
I was in Sweden around 76 or so when they rationed gas. What the people in the US don't realize is that if they don't get the **** together, it'll all come crashing down and it will.
The reason i'm saying the US is because we all drive big vehicles here. Mind you, this is the biggest I've had but even my Rodeo at 17mpg was way too much I thought.
My Volvo that would carry the same load would give me double or so.
Besides, I want a second X in diesel so if I get my money, this would be perfect
Put some big *** tires on the truck and drive over the water to arab country and buy some cheap gas. We should make our first trip to Iraq or some f****** place
George
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Originally Posted by kev03
My wife and Her Brother and mom went to Parrie Island this last tuesday and came back this morning . They took My Excursion which is a 7.3 L and went 1600 miles round trip and it cost $350.00 in fuel. I think that is great! what do you think?
I took out the third and second row by the way and only have ONE captains chair behind the drivers seat.
Now my dogs can run around and exercise in the back
