I think you don't understand the basic equation. Let me explain it to you so you can grasp it. You drive an SUV. SUVs by defination are gas guzzlers. An Excursion is NOT an F250. An F250 is a truck. Yes, we understand that the Ex is based off the F250 but that is not the point. An SUV is defined as a gas guzzler. A truck is not. Now, if you believe that, I have a slightly used bridge which is well maintained to sell you.

 

You know aklim, I really don't see the point of your reply to my post... One reason I enjoy posting and reading here on FTE is the respect people usually have for other's opinions.

 

The point of my post is that people are morons. You and I both know that your Ex is pretty much an F250 with a covered rear and gas mileage is about the same. Still there will be people that berate you for a gas guzzler Ex because it is an SUV. If it were a truck, it would not be a gas guzzler. Once again, because of the SUV label, it is by default a gas guzzler. Reality has little to do with it.

 

I am confused. I thought the Ford "250" series meant the 3/4 ton truck chassis. And I further thought that the Ford "350" was the one ton...and further..that except for the stupid "way too soft" springs in our Excursions...they are 1 ton "350" series trucks underneath the sheet metal.. ? ? ?

 

I thought it was an F250 basically?

Yes, either way, it is an F250 or F350 chasis but is called a gas guzzler because it is an SUV. The truck will escape that because it is NOT an SUV. Why? Because of the SUV stereotype. Reality? WGAS. Certainly not people in general.

 

I see your point now... BWT, the people I refer to are mostly the women teachers I work with... (not really morons... some are airheads though ). Plus, they never really berate me either. They get a kick out of my airhorns.

I have a rather fun time at explaining to them what you stated in your post... What platform the Excursion is built on and all that goes with that...

They truly have a much better understanding of why I drive such a large vehicle.

And I bet they wish they never brought the subject up.

 

Its not a fuel crisis, its a money crisis!

 

i think the bigest crisis will be that the higher gas prices will push this country(us) into a resession and inflation will be out of hand we will be buying cows because milk will be $6 or more

 

If certain idiots and special interest groups would lay off for the last 20 years and let there be drilling up north and refinieries built we would be a lot better off.
We can't have oil if were not allowed to drill. We can't have gas if we can't refine the oil. We are a slave to the mideast and Russia due to restrictions on our own soil.
IMHO, not to get political.

 

You hit the nail on the head there!!!!

 

I think its funny people are talking about being able to make thir own choice here, by driving the excursion, but berate those who like to accelerate quickly. Thats a choice also. I tend to get on the go pedal more then most, im always the first one across an intersection when a light turns green and im at the front of the line. I go WOT probably 30-40% of the drives i take. usually short blasts as i pass at highway speeds. Will the motor last as long as someone who babies it constantly? I say thats arguable, motors like to be "blown out" with a good high rpm blast every now n then. The difference between a motor pushed hard and having proper maintenance, and a babied motor with equal maintenance, will be the type of failures they suffer from. The babied engine will be gummed up with carbon, the beaten motor will have some blowby from rings losing the seal with the added abuse. I doubt most people that own these vehicles now, while they are fairly new and expensive, will truely keep them til the motor gives up the ghost. If you cna afford one of these vehicles now, you have some $ to waste in my opinion. Being so, when these trucks get older, and more rattles start appering, and some rust creeps up, and the interior becomes more and more beat up, they will be traded in on a newer vehicle rather then drive a high mileage tired old truck. Will some keep them till they die? No doubt, but the great majority will not. Nothing on the market youd trade it i for now? Well im the next 10 yeaers i bet there will be something youd rather drive.

My .99 cents!

 

I will drive my truck no matter how crazy the fuel prices get. I have a 7.3 diesel and my husband just bought (this week!) a 2000 F 250 7.3 diesel because he enjoys driving my Excursion so much. Now this summer I was laughing at the gas engine trucks because they were spending like 20 to 30 cents a gallon more, now I'm feeling thier pain BUT I love driving my diesel and can't imagine driving a car!! I do have a chip in my X and we just did the chip in the F 250 as well as intake stuff. I get 22.9 mpg and I'm happy with that!

 

Post like the above confirm my prejudice that our educational system has failed miserably. The inability to express oneself with precision, coupled with emotional "belief" systems that show a dislike for obtaining technical knowledge, is the mark of a culture headed down-hill.

First of all, motors do not "like". Here's a late news flash. "To Like" is a verb. Inanimate objects do not have feelings. They neither "like" nor "dislike". They simply exist, and what happens to them, is simply a function of how you behave towards them.

Secondly, I am unclear where this "poster" got the idea that some of us think applying full power UNDER LOAD will cause critical damage. I certainly made no such statement - my earlier comments were directed towards those who "race" motors WITHOUT the normal "loads" of moving the vehicle.

Occasional "full power" accelleration will not hurt the motor or transmission of any modern (meaning post 1940's) vehicle. Even more so with vehicles of the last few years, that have all kinds of electronic sensors that will prevent over-reving, and will also react to save the engine from damage, if they detect lower oil pressure or higher than appropriate temperatures.

The idea that you need to "blow out carbon" is one of many silly justifications by people who are little kids mentally, who want an excuse to make noise and provide a substitute for their lack of man-hood. Yes, there was a time when motors would "carbon up", requiring frequent valve jobs and spark-plug changes. This was a product of a combination of technical issues that have not existed for well over 70 years. Since the early 1930's, we have had ever-cleaner burning fuel, motor oil additives, ever high compression ratios, and ever improved induction air and oil filters. Yes, as late as the 1950's, when I trained as an automotive machinest, we were still seeing "sludged up" and "carboned up" on some of the older cars where the owners either didn't choose to use modern oils, and/or didnt change their engine oil at all! None of this is relevant today - motors with 300,000 miles on them typically can come apart with NO sludge or carbon.

Bottom line - kids today KNOW what they want to do..make noise and show off.

 

250 series = 3/4 ton
350 series = 1 ton
Ex based off of = 250 (3/4) The Ex is a 3/4 ton truck.



I can se my self keeping it and buying another truck in the future and storing the ex.

 

I remain confused. I do not have access to a FoMoCo parts book. Anyone KNOW what they are talking about, as to the issue of just exactly WHAT the Excursion is ?

Specifically, are our Excursions based on a 250 chassis or a 350 chassis ? Is it correct, or incorrect, that a "250" is a 3/4 ton chassis, and a "350" is a 1 ton chassis ? Or does FoMoCo use the same frame for both its 3/4 ton and 1 ton truck lines, changing only the axles for the heavier rating ?