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I was one "d" short of failing english in high school back in '68. I think I tried to learn what I could from my english teacher, so as to not fit the stereotypical" Kaintuckee hillbilly" personification..
I do not think it is that properly formed english is not being taught in schools now, as much as it is the kids do not want to learn it. ...
The millioinare rap /athlete role models of today cannot speak good english, the hispanics are not being forced to learn it, our kids parents today do not expect good grammar from their children. SO, where is the youth of todays motive for learning proper english ? ...
Afterall, for the youth today it is literally cool to slur their words, fork their fingers and say " whatup witcha dog, what be lookin' atcha ?
Schools still attempt to teach English and grammer, but we generally seem to value it less than we did in earlier years.
If you look at the "Little Rascals" and "Laurel and Hardy" films, you will often find grammer and spelling humor. Apparently the audiences of the time got it. This type of humor was still common in shows from the 50s and 60s.
It's not that way today. Also, no one is especially troubled when a sign in a store or other business is spelled incorrectly, or has obvious grammer problems.
"We have met the enemy and they are us". Not all of the English teachers in the world can stand against the common apathy.
Moving on, I will say that language is accepted as dynamic, and that ain't is now accepted as a fully licensed word by Webster et al. Prolly will likely gain entrance someday, if its usage is as common as I see on various forums.
It will always be like fingernails on a blackboard to me, but I will survive.
I do agree that on a forum such as this, a certain amount of tolerance is reasonable. I would also say that people have various skills, and a person who can rebuild an engine in the dark might be excused for a few spelling issues.
My final comment will be a mild curse to the idea that spellcheck will solve all problems. Due to my dyslexic typing skills, I try to use it, but it has it's liimits. It will NOT fix a correctly spelled word that means something else.
Example "Use it or loose it"
I saw this on a presentation from a corporate Phd who should have known better. To me, this was a worse offense than a 1000 prollys from an honest FTE member.
About this time the next sound would be the action of the shotgun racking in a round and the mind having a battle keeping Mr. Finger off the trigger.
We didn't have this crap back in the 50's and 60's when I was in school, hell english was spoken by all.
I really embarrassed a vp of a company I worked for when I pointed out a spelling error in a brochure they handed out. It was something really stupid, too, I just can't think of it offhand. But it was a brochure detailing the companies abilities to potential clients.
I really embarrassed a vp of a company I worked for when I pointed out a spelling error in a brochure they handed out. It was something really stupid, too, I just can't think of it offhand. But it was a brochure detailing the companies abilities to potential clients.
I see errors like that in some print.
I guess proof readers were outsourced to other countries.
Shakespeare was brilliant, but if I had to sit and drink with him - I'd tell him to shut up and go get laid.
And he would perhaps respond, "Thou art a knave, a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a w horeson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk- inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, pandar, coward, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch; one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition".
This, my favorite literary insult, is from King Lear, but I have no doubt the Bard of Avon would come up with one especially for you.
And he would perhaps respond, "Thou art a knave, a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a w horeson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk- inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, pandar, coward, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch; one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition".
This, my favorite literary insult, is from King Lear, but I have no doubt the Bard of Avon would come up with one especially for you.
Damn I guess I spent way too much time working on my bikes when I hath been a wipper snapper.
language evolves, our english today is not the same many years ago and it will not be the same 100 years from now.
i spell just fine at college and at work, i really do not think i need to go through formalities on a forum about ford trucks.
its funny how some poeple declare "ain't" not a word yet it is so commonly used, same with the rule of never starting a sentence with "and", there should be a time when the language police give way to some common lingo.
i understand what you mean about it, but i do not think anyone should expect on a forum like this to have perfect grammer and spelling on every aspect and held to an academic level, it is just a forum.
what is worse is that my wife did not know english even 6 years ago yet she has the highest grades in english classes where she attends college, she tells me the little stories of the students, many right out of high school that can not comprehend spelling simple things opr know simple grammer rules.
I fully expect at least an attempt at proper grammar on a website. To not shows a lack of respect for not only others but yourself. If you can't be bothered to pay attention to the little details on something as trivial as a forum, what does that say about how you are the rest of the time? Just because you use proper language skills at work and college, doesn't make it ok to ignore them on a message board. One night you might be writing that report for whatever class and slip up. All of my college professors would mark points off for improper grammar, spelling, or sentence construction. Needless to say I had my share of bad marks due to it, but I think we need to at least make an attempt. When I read a post that says: "my truck wont start replaced starter solenoid starter battery still wont start what can i check next at my wits end here please help" it's hard to read.
Schools still attempt to teach English and grammer, but we generally seem to value it less than we did in earlier years.
If you look at the "Little Rascals" and "Laurel and Hardy" films, you will often find grammer and spelling humor. Apparently the audiences of the time got it. This type of humor was still common in shows from the 50s and 60s.
It's not that way today. Also, no one is especially troubled when a sign in a store or other business is spelled incorrectly, or has obvious grammer problems.
"We have met the enemy and they are us". Not all of the English teachers in the world can stand against the common apathy.
Moving on, I will say that language is accepted as dynamic, and that ain't is now accepted as a fully licensed word by Webster et al. Prolly will likely gain entrance someday, if its usage is as common as I see on various forums.
It will always be like fingernails on a blackboard to me, but I will survive.
I do agree that on a forum such as this, a certain amount of tolerance is reasonable. I would also say that people have various skills, and a person who can rebuild an engine in the dark might be excused for a few spelling issues.
My final comment will be a mild curse to the idea that spellcheck will solve all problems. Due to my dyslexic typing skills, I try to use it, but it has it's liimits. It will NOT fix a correctly spelled word that means something else.
Example "Use it or loose it"
I saw this on a presentation from a corporate Phd who should have known better. To me, this was a worse offense than a 1000 prollys from an honest FTE member.
ford2go
Technically "Use it or loose it" is correct english. To "loose" something is to throw it away or let it go. Old english, but none the less it IS english.