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and to a former poster : why would brake clean damage the turbo bearings ? they are a simple bearing, like a conrod, i fail to see where the damage could be from using brakleen on them ...
I asked Matt the same thing when he told me that. He told me that the bearings had a coating that would be destroyed by the brake cleaner and I was the student so I didn't argue. Just like I don't understand why no brake cleaner on the EGR but Carb cleaner is OK. Some particular chemical compound not compatible with something in the EGR per Ford I suppose.
It is serviceable to an extent. Will it save someone a lot of money if they can't afford a new turbo? Definately. I understand the thinking of someone that sells them, more money can be made by installing a different unit, then getting the vehicle out of the bay for the next one. Oh, in case you haven't noticed, "you Ford owners" fits me as well as "you Ford techs". Ford has a directive that if its scaled with rust, you aren't supposed to clean it. According to you, I should never try to clean one. I have cleaned several that were rusted severely, for customers that had no warranty and money issues. Was that wrong? On another post, you doubt that head gaskets can be replaced without lifting the cab, yes, they most certainly can. It isn't easy, Ford as a matter of fact has a video that step by step shows how. The environment can be a factor in turbo longevity simply because there is air that makes it into the exhaust stream (ever hear of humidity?). Talk to Ford hotline engineers, More turbo issues are in areas that have weather issues and fuel quality issues. How else can you explain why some areas have numerous 6.0 issues, while some have none. Here, the 6.0 is a very reliable engine.
Its not about getting the truck out the door fast, its about doing the job right the first time to prevent the truck coming back or being stuck halfway between BC and Alaska as alot of our snowbirds travel. If you cleaned a rusty turbo and it is still working, good for you, you saved someone some money. You say the head gasket can be changed with out lifting the cab "but it is not easy" great!
So to recap what you are saying... these 50K trucks that the head gaskets are "not easy to replace" and the turbo needs to be driven in dry climates with clean fuel while periodicaly being serviced, is this correct;
other than that the 6.0L is a reliable motor?
Are we still talking about diesel motors that are relied on day in and day out by commercial and personaly users to get around ALL of north America in any condition from Arizona to Alaska? Cause I have dealers in all of these areas that see the same issues.
At leasxt we argee on one thing, "some 6.0L's have issues"
Have I ever heard of humidity.... LMAO, I live in BC
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All I'm saying is, Are there areas that have massive problems with the 6.0.......sure. Should we condemn this engine solely on the advice of these areas........no. I personally have asked FSEs and district reps, along with several hotline personnel "How much warranty work is reported with the 6.0?" If you believe it or not, I dont care, but they were all roughly the same with their answers. A little more than 2 million of them out there, a little less than 25% have had warranty issues of any kind. That figure is for the entire truck (squeaks, rattles, vibrations, radios, etc). Wisconsin was the worst state for warranty repairs on the engine (strangely enough, also the worst in reported fuel quality issues). All along the east coast, there has been more reported engine problems. Center of the country, less. In your opinion, what? Better air?
Its not about getting the truck out the door fast, its about doing the job right the first time to prevent the truck coming back or being stuck halfway between BC and Alaska as alot of our snowbirds travel. If you cleaned a rusty turbo and it is still working, good for you, you saved someone some money. You say the head gasket can be changed with out lifting the cab "but it is not easy" great!
So to recap what you are saying... these 50K trucks that the head gaskets are "not easy to replace" and the turbo needs to be driven in dry climates with clean fuel while periodicaly being serviced, is this correct;
other than that the 6.0L is a reliable motor?
Are we still talking about diesel motors that are relied on day in and day out by commercial and personaly users to get around ALL of north America in any condition from Arizona to Alaska? Cause I have dealers in all of these areas that see the same issues.
At leasxt we argee on one thing, "some 6.0L's have issues"
Have I ever heard of humidity.... LMAO, I live in BC
I'm taking BD products off my list of potential aftermarket suppliers when my warranty expires.
you're free to do whatever you want, it's a free country. but you have been giving dave a hard time from the start.
the simple fact of the matter is: BD is a high quality shop putting out high quality parts and has great customer service.
glm racers
I like your idea about putting the studs in the head loose and then sit the heads in place. You could put the nuts on the tops of the studs to stop them from falling through while putting the heads in place. Once in place they could then thread the studs in to the block before putting on the nuts on for the final time and torquing them down.
vloney does this sound possible to you being a tech and being familiar with what would and wouldn't work?
glm racers
I like your idea about putting the studs in the head loose and then sit the heads in place. You could put the nuts on the tops of the studs to stop them from falling through while putting the heads in place. Once in place they could then thread the studs in to the block before putting on the nuts on for the final time and torquing them down.
vloney does this sound possible to you being a tech and being familiar with what would and wouldn't work?
From the posts that I have read here at FTE, especially from diesel technician members and the folks that have experience, it appears that the bolts that International used are the torque to yield type, which I believe should be ok, but by design will not leave any margin for errors.
The only way I know how to properly torque these types of bolts is to use a dial indicator to measure the extension (stretch) of each and every bolt when they are installed, but I highly doubt that the robotic torque machines that International, and all others, use will measure this extension value.
I haven't had any pucking or signs of head gasket failures, but since I have alot of time in my hands, and I'm always thinking out side the box, I'd like to equip myself in the event Murphy shows up one day.
I'm sure Dave, if he read and truly grasp the logic, as well as other's, will make an attempt at this method.
There is a method for putting in headSTUDS with the motor in the truck, but it's a real pain in the butt. Those doggone heads are HEAVY to start with and putting them in with the studs hanging out just adds to the aggravation. It takes less time to lift the cab than pull the motor (if you have the equipment--we didn't) and IMHO you get a better quality job and better quality torque if you can get to it easily. The torque sequence and procedure with BOLTS is a major pain sitting out in the open. I wouldn't want to do it with the motor in the truck, but it can be done.
you're free to do whatever you want, it's a free country. but you have been giving dave a hard time from the start.
the simple fact of the matter is: BD is a high quality shop putting out high quality parts and has great customer service.
Any representative of a manufacture that hurls out those types of comments that are directed to a specific brand, on a forum that sole provides a medium to discuss various topics and to provide information to the members of that said brand, is not a business that I would ever consider giving them my time.
Moreover, If any business tells me that I'm stupid for buying a $50k truck that, based on their opinions and not facts, has problems across all 6.0L type engines, I walk away because they have already made there conclusions that the 6.0L is junk and they're not open for discussion.
If, on the other hand, they show me actual facts with supporting data, then I will listen.
There is a method for putting in headSTUDS with the motor in the truck, but it's a real pain in the butt. Those doggone heads are HEAVY to start with and putting them in with the studs hanging out just adds to the aggravation. It takes less time to lift the cab than pull the motor (if you have the equipment--we didn't) and IMHO you get a better quality job and better quality torque if you can get to it easily. The torque sequence and procedure with BOLTS is a major pain sitting out in the open. I wouldn't want to do it with the motor in the truck, but it can be done.
I can visualize the "pain in the butt". There's not much space to begin with.
What all entails to lift the cab? Do I need to remove the brake lines?
Or, and I hoping you say yes, would it be possible to lift the cap just enough to place the heads over the studs?
I was taught to take it out the front and have never lifted a cab, so you got me there. I know the 6.4L/'08's are designed to lift the cab in something like 45 minutes, but the 6.0's take 2-4 hours.