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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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Turbo Replacement

I have to replace the turbo on my 03 its acting up again its time to change it.

What parts I'am I going to need to replace the turbo ie seals etc ?

What is the Ford part number ?

The turbo has to come out of my pocket no warranty for me I have a exhaust brake. Ford dealer said no warranty so 1300 dollars out of my pocket it will be 1600 dollars if the core is no good.

I will change the turbo myself I'am not going to pay Ford 100 bucks per hour and the diesel shop I use is too busy.

I also don't know if the truck has a current flash the oasis report says 2005 was the last current flash. I also have oil stiction problems it never did before. The flash it has is SSM 17046I don't know what that means ?

I kind wish I kept my 7.3 sure it has less power but alteast it was reliable.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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Kenworth--get with Matt before you drop a major dime with your dealer. I don't think there are any end user parts available to the average JOE, but I know they can be rebuilt. Plus...there are some good A/M options available also.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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I'am in B.C. Canada so shipping anything accross the boarder is a pain in the backside. If I order a rebuilt turbo from Ford it will be here the next day. I would go with a BD replacement but I can't afford that right now.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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What seems to be wrong with your turbo? Have you tried the cleaning procedure in the Tech manual? Short of major carnage I just can't see that much being wrong. If it's the veins sticking then it's not hard to clean. I think it's an easier job to clean the turbo than pull it and re-install it. LOL--not that you don't have to pull and reinstall it, just that it's fairly easy to clean and dang sure cheaper than 1300 for a new turbo.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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I think I will phone the Fraud oops I mean Ford dealer and see if they can look at my truck and see if they can clean the turbo.

I really don't want to spend 1300 dollars they already said no warranty soon as I mentioned exhaust brake. That was even before I mentioned AFE intake.

I have the EGR unplugged I guess I better plug it back in before I take it down to the dealer ?

I like the truck and I can't do much I still owe money on it aka 20 grand I had to replace the ball joints 600 bucks replaced the steady bearing 200 dollars replaced EGR 150 dollars. The factory General 19.5 tires were shot so there goes 2000 dollars on the credit card.

I took the chance and bought a 6.0 and I think I made a mistake my 7.3 PSD only had CPS problem it was the rest of the truck that was worn out.

I looked at my tail pipe and its pretty heavy soot it was never like that before maybe it is from the first fuel treatment I used and I double dosed the treatment. Used it for couple tank fulls then I switched to Howes diesel treat it was cheaper and used that double dosed it for a few tank fulls. I haven't used any lately.

Who knows I might take a big loss and get rid of this truck I owned it for 6 months. One other guy in my area got rid of one of this F-450 6.0s he couldn't take the problems anymore. I know one of the other companies in the area got rid of their F-450 6.0s nothing but problems. The trucks looked good but they were junk. A guy that hauls produce uses a trailer to haul it with he had 05 6.0 got rid of it bought a 2002 7.3 no more problems.

All the other F-450s I looked at when I bought the truck I have are still forsale nobody is buying them. I tried looking for a F-450 7.3 no luck I can't find one

If it wasn't a big deal to repower the truck with a 7.3 I would probably spend the money to do it.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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You should remove your AFE before taking it to the dealer as well. There have been several threads about using AM air filters resulting in trashed turbos.

I just reached 60k trouble free miles on my six-oh but, unlike other's, I've kept mine bone stock.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 03:57 PM
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I told the dealer about the AFE intake that wasn't much of a problem it was the fact that I had a exhaust brake was a bigger warranty killer.

I don't know where I would find a factory filter ?

The AFE intake I have doesn't look like much has been changed from what a stock filter housing looks like. The AFE has a steel housing and what looks to be factory ends clipped on it. I haven't looked to see if the plastic pieces have Ford numbers on it.

I really don't know how much a AFE filter helps ?

I'am still debating either order a rebuilt turbo or take my truck to the Ford dealer and have it sit there for days on end waiting for them to fix the truck.

If the turbo isn't cleanable then they will have to order a turbo and replace it.

Like I said the truck was running good for 2 weeks then last night something stuck and I had no boost or overboost I have no gauge.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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I'm looking to clean mine also. Sticking veins of shot actuator too.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 04:30 PM
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I told the dealer about the AFE intake that wasn't much of a problem it was the fact that I had a exhaust brake was a bigger warranty killer.

I don't know where I would find a factory filter ?

The AFE intake I have doesn't look like much has been changed from what a stock filter housing looks like. The AFE has a steel housing and what looks to be factory ends clipped on it. I haven't looked to see if the plastic pieces have Ford numbers on it.

I really don't know how much a AFE filter helps ?

I'am still debating either order a rebuilt turbo or take my truck to the Ford dealer and have it sit there for days on end waiting for them to fix the truck.

If the turbo isn't cleanable then they will have to order a turbo and replace it.

Like I said the truck was running good for 2 weeks then last night something stuck and I had no boost or overboost I have no gauge.

Without sounding like I am trying to defend the exhaust brakes, the 6.0L turbo is a very problematic turbo! Ford is up to their eyeballs in warranty and will stop at nothing to get out of having to cover another turbo. If they had Ford Diesel Fuel, they would try to void your warranty for putting Sonoco fuel in!

BD is a Borg Warner test facility and have developed a fixed vane turbo and will be releasing it this fall with a complete Borg Warner warranty.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dave at BD Power
BD is a Borg Warner test facility and have developed a fixed vane turbo and will be releasing it this fall with a complete Borg Warner warranty.
So what makes BD version of the Borg Warner turbo better than the Fords EVGT Garret design? Does it have a waste gate in favor of the modern variable geometry design?
I too have had my turbo replaced once, but I drove it for 1.5 years with the vanes stuck at the full open position while both commuting and towing my 12k # toy hauler without ever detecting any performance problems. The only issue I expereince during this time was blowing the IC hoses while towing at 6% grades as a result of over-boost condition. Back in 03 ford didn't install a boost gauge and I never have installed one becuase at that time there wasn't much out there except for mechanaical analog type and the new electric monitors were small and way over-priced.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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So what makes BD version of the Borg Warner turbo better than the Fords EVGT Garret design? Does it have a waste gate in favor of the modern variable geometry design?
I too have had my turbo replaced once, but I drove it for 1.5 years with the vanes stuck at the full open position while both commuting and towing my 12k # toy hauler without ever detecting any performance problems. The only issue I expereince during this time was blowing the IC hoses while towing at 6% grades as a result of over-boost condition. Back in 03 ford didn't install a boost gauge and I never have installed one becuase at that time there wasn't much out there except for mechanaical analog type and the new electric monitors were small and way over-priced.
It is better for a few reason, one it will run more efficient up to 500HP for guys that are running a chip but is much more reliable than a variable turbo. The variable turbo is a great idea but the design has not been perfected, that is why you see a new twin set up for 07-08. Using Borg Warner's newest technology, Extended Fin Tip Technology allows it to have a broader range of efficiency like a variable turbo without all the extra moving parts and electronics. Yes it is wastegated at 40PSI as well.

With your vanes stuck open you would expect to see a lot more lag at the bottom end; you did not experience that?
 

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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dave at BD Power
Borg Warner's newest technology, Extended Fin Tip Technology allows it to have a broader range of efficiency like a variable turbo without all the extra moving parts and electronics. Yes it is wastegated at 40PSI as well.

With your vanes stuck open you would expect to see a lot more lag at the bottom end; you did not experience that?
ETT Technology with waste gate has evidently been used in the sport compact market for the past few years, were small displacement engines with low exhaust flow and high impeller speed from small turbos is the norm, but what about in the diesel market were high displacement engine are the norm?

I did detect some lag with the vanes in the open position, but it was an 8-blade type ( I believe) that once spooled would make up for the lag and accelerate the truck very quickly. It felt more non-linear than with the repalcement 6-blade (I believe) which now feels more linear than before with less wine, which I enjoyed and greatly miss hearing it spool up.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Kenworth--get with Matt before you drop a major dime with your dealer. I don't think there are any end user parts available to the average JOE, but I know they can be rebuilt. Plus...there are some good A/M options available also.
if the core is good, you can rebuild the factory turbo for under 100 dollars in parts.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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if the core is good, you can rebuild the factory turbo for under 100 dollars in parts.
how?what parts are replaced?I know that there are "turbo rebuilders"out there i just thought our turbos were non rebuidable.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 03:12 AM
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Went to work today turbo worked find coming home it acted up for a few minutes and started running fine

I know d*mn well the exhaust brake hasn't caused any damage its the poor turbo design.

Any kind of warranty the manufacturer always tries to wiggle out of it some how.
 
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