So are you saying that you condone the beating?

 

Ummmm, no it wouldn't be any different.

 

No, it is a respect thing. I could care less if you are playing the same thing I am it should not be so loud that I can hear it from my location whether it be at the gas station, parking lot or in traffic. I can understand if it is loud enough for you to hear it, but you need to understand that the location dictates how you act. With age comes wisdom.

 

As a side note...Employees of our mfg neighbor next door are on break...2:07 P.M. CST. Their music is so loud it is playing thru the walls of my office. Some 30 - 40 yards away. Not that it matters much but, it just happens to be Latino. I would be just as displeased if it were ina-goda-da-vida.

 

You just have a problem with young people don't you? I guess that you were born "older" and "wiser" and never grew up being "young" and "stupid". I am 24 years old, so I am still fairly young but I do still like to have fun, probably some of which can be construed as "immature" and "lacking wisdom". I have had subs in my trucks since the day I started driving, and yes, I would crank them up when I was driving, but when I came to a stop light, or parking lot, or wherever there would be many more people in close proximity, I would turn it down. Even when I was in my "youth" and in high school. I have had many people tell me and my parents how mature I am, and how I treat people with respect, and do not cause problems, even when I was in my "youth". I try to be courteous and respectful in every sense of the word, and for the most part, I feel that I am. As far as me lacking "wisdom", I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering with a minor in Mathematics, not too many people around here can say that, so I don't think I lack "wisdom" either.

As far as your statement about immaturity being the case of youth, and age comes wisdom, you should live in my neighborhood. I have neighbors that are probably in their mid 40's, and when they are working on their car, they like to turn up their spanish music so loud I'm pretty sure people in the next state can hear them. All they are doing is laying under the car to change the oil, but they have to have that music so loud I can't even think. The people across the street are in their 30's, and they have an eclipse with a fart pipe on it. Almost every day, they go out and start it, and just let it idle for anywhere between 30 minutes to an hour. They aren't in it or working on it, they go back inside and just let it run. It gets really annoying when you hear that for that length of time. Then they come out and wrap it up about as tight as they can for a couple minutes, then they leave. I guess they like to hear their car run from inside their house, or let everybody else know they drive a "modded Eclipse". I guess they watch too much "Fast and the Furious".

Don't even get me started about the immaturity of most of my family members after my grandpa got remarried after my grandma passed. About the only mature people in my entire family were the people that were high school aged and below. The "older, wiser" people who should "know better" almost started a fight at the wedding because they were so immature about the whole situation, telling my grandpa to his face right after he said "I do" how inappropriate it was and how he should be ashamed of himself. It basically devistated him and ruined his wedding day. My aunt and uncle forbid my young, middle school aged cousins from going to my grandpas house because of how "inapporpriate" he was for getting remarried. Needless to say, Christmas and Thanksgiving have never been the same, all because people in their 30's and 40's can't handle my grandpa getting married, mainly because it made him happy. My parents, the only "adults" who were civil about the situation said that him getting remarried is a tribute to my grandma; he loved being married so much that he wanted to do it again.

Sorry about the rant, I just REALLY don't like blanket statements that complain about the "youth" of this country being immature, rude, disrespectful, etc. I respect my "elders" to the nth degree as long as they treat me with respect and not like I am just a thorn in their side. Where I live, a lot of the "older" people who should know better are more immature and rude than the younger people who are supposed to be immature. Like my parents always say "Be nice to your kids, they decide what nursing home you go to".

As far as the original poster, what you did was stupid. Taking somebody out in a public place full of video surveillance and witnesses just because he told you to turn your music down is about the stupidest thing to do. Also, aren't there signs all over the place telling you to turn your engine off so you don't cause an explosion? Let us know if you can still get on FTE from jail.

 

I do have a system, (a boom boom boom as yall call it)my music is usually loud in my truck , but it is country. and when i pull up to the gas pump which is about ever 3 days i turn my truck and music off. And if im sittin beside somebody at a redlight , and there window is down i turn my music down , but i have to have my music up to hear it in my truck.

But as everbody else said you went to far .... sorry amigo

 

Maybe in your small world, but it could have been Big Bird playing cranking out Jimmy Swagert in his brand new Tundra and it still wouldn't have made a difference.

Bottom line, in this situation there was no excuse for having to use physical violence.

 

Nut1605,

While I do respect your view, I would like to state that just because someone has an extensive education much like yourself, doesn't mean they are "socially" educated. ( if you follow me )

I have only a college education but when it comes to handling people and personalities I can say I do it much better than some of my fellow managers who have professional careers. ( Engineers i might add ) With handling personalites respect plays a huge role.

It doesn't take an education/school to teach respect. I'm not much older than yourself and even I have to agree with elder folk that today's youth ( not all of course ) is alot more disrespectful than when I was a young buck.

The recent high school shootings of the last 5 years or so is a perfect example. Lack of respect for society.

Just my .02

 

Nut1605

Do I have a problem with Youth....Ummmmmmm....NOPE! I am a high school teacher. I deal with them all the time; I like them and enjoy watching them mature. Oh I am also 35 years old, so am I an "old timer" no; I just have respect for other people.

Do not take things to offense, because in your own statement, you said that you had a system (as do I) and would turn it down when in a parking lot or at a light in your "Youth" as I did also. I applaud you for your maturity, but you need to not take things so seriously and take them as an attack personally on you.

This was written in regards to Ranger (Zack) and the originial poster and not in a generalization as you took it. You do not want to start to flame people on here.

 

I'm not flaming anybody on here, and I did not take it as an attack personally to me; all I am saying is that I do not like blanket statements about a particular age group (youth), religious views, race, ethnicity, etc. When you say the things you did about "immaturity being the case of youth", and "with age comes wisdom", it just bothers me because the immature, discrepectful, etc people of this world are not only the youth, but the older generations as well. Thats like saying that old people are too old to drive and should be off the road. That is not necessarily 100% true, and is not fair to the people who can still drive, safely and effectively. I didn't mean to "flame" you, I was just stating my disagreement with your "blanket statement".

SMIGGS.....I understand completely what you are saying. I have worked with many managers with many years of experience that do not show any respect or do not know how to work with people. I didn't mean that because I have a degree means I am socially educated, I just meant that just because I am "younger" doesn't mean I am stupid and don't know anything. Your statement about your managers not knowing how to work with people and personalities just shows what I meant that just because I might be younger doesn't mean that I am rude, disrespectful, immature, whatever.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, I just wanted to make a point that its not just the youth of this nation that don't have any respect for society (which I agree, some don't, probably moreso than past generations), its all generations, ages, backgrounds, etc.

 

im 16 , and i kno if i disrespected anybody , my parents would beat the chit outta me .... if somebody told me to turn my music down i would and go on about my business .... but i kno white people are not the people who cause the most problems in the USA ... end of story

 

Hmmm long time no sound from Mud. Makes ya wonder...........

 

I did not make a blanket statement, I simply state what the original person did was a case of immaturity and that Zack will learn in time.

I agree that there are people that have never grown up and I still would call them youth. Youth to me is not a number thing it is an intellectual thing. I know people that have Ph.D. that I am embarrassed to be around, because they live in their own little worlds and do not care about others. I also have had students that were 14 and 15 that were very mature.

From reading your post it seems to me that you often get labeled due solely to your age. I applaud you for getting a great degree in a demanding content area. I would not look at your age, but at your skills. I have had students teach me things in the past and I was appreciative.

 

Hate to bust your bubble but I have an Engineering Degree, minor in Eco, about 2/3 done with the Master's Degree in Engineering, not to mention well over 100 credits from all my military schooling (meteorology, oceanography, radio communications, etc.) and with all this education, I never took a course called wisdom. In fact, I don't believe it was even offered. Don't confuse education or training with wisdom. I have known (and still know) an awful lot of educated idiots, not to mention professional idiots.

 

Well, I am sorry, I misunderstood your meaning of youth as not being so much age but an intellectual thing. I understand what you were meaning now as I thought you meant youth as being the younger generation. Again, I am sorry.