sometimes the word "competition yellow" is used also

 

I don't recall ever seeing a "competition yellow" late in a race. Those are used early on to allow teams to change and inspect tires when circumstances are questionable as far as track conditions, lack of practice, new compound tire, etc. It's the so-called "debris cautions" that seem to raise some eyebrows.

 

Great race with COT's at Martinsville today. Kudos to Jeff Gordon for some good racing.

 

Agreed. I hate both of those teams...but they did put on a good show.

 

Also agree.. great finish. As for the rest of the race, S-L-O-W.

HEY NASCAR!, slower doesn't equal safer! I understand that the COT is designed to be safe and help level the playing field, but come on, a 20mph drop in speed?

I've got to agree with DW onthis one... COT= car or truck? I can't tell the difference...

 

When you think about it, is that so called debris late race caution a bad thing? Some may argue the old " that ain't real racin' " but look at it from this perspective. The drivers in the top 5 - 10 positions have a legimate chance to win if the yellow is thrown. Those 10 drivers and teams worked their **** off during the race to put themselves in that position to possibly win. There would be alot more pit stradegy to get into the top 10 for the final 5 laps.

A 5 lap shootout will definitely seperate the good drivers and teams from the rest. Isn't that what racing is about? The best teams ( fastest ) are going to be out front? I would rather watch a good driver with 5 laps to go slice and dice his way past everyone else without wrecking anyone to take the win. Or I could watch "real" racin' and watch the leader of the race win by 3-5 seconds. (yawn) And the only race for position on the last lap is for 15th place.

I agree with cpe41, some of the "old school" NASCAR fans have a hard time grasping the concept of "progression". If NASCAR didn't become the corporate driven "sport" it is today, it would have fallen off the map years ago. And then they would be complaining that NASCAR isn't popular and that it's the media's fault for not covering it like it should. Why would a sponser like Budweiser spend upwards of 20 -30 million a year for advertising if only 1/3 of the races were televised or there were only 5000 spectators at the races?

Classic case of something becomes mainstream and the "true fans" boycotting it because everyone else likes it.

 

So I guess when Bobby Allison won the 500 with his son Davey in second that was staged. Fixing races is a lame excuse anyway you look at it.

 

The races are fixed? Riiiiiiiight. That's why these guys go out and risk losing their lives every week and all those Fortune 500 corporations spend upwards of 10-15 million a year each for a primary sponsorship. And all these race teams build multi-million dollar shops and employ fabricators, mechanics, engineers, r&d people, etc. that sometimes number in the hundreds, just so they can ride around, even knowing that it isn't their turn to win. Apparently, you don't know any racers. If you did, you'd know that they are some of the most competitive people by nature, and I'd hate to think what would happen to the person who even suggsted "fixing" a NASCAR race. Hell, these guys pay $50,000+ fines for being an 1/8" low after a race. Fixed. Give me a break.


Pete

 

We went to the race last weekend at martinsville and got yall some picks of them new cars.





Yall can check out all the pics at http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u305/obxjoel/

They seemed they like they were taking it a whole lot easier driving with the new car. Alot of people said that they did not want to get into anything and rip them splinters off the front.

 

yea, but if nascar started like this, would it be as famous? i just think of formula one, not to popular here.

there is a thing called conditioning, slowly getting people use to the concept and ideas, reguardless if it is better or not. people will just accept it because that is the way it is.

i just can almost see nascar peaking and falling on its face like a fad. i can see around where i live how hardly anyone knows about the cars or racing, but they do know everything about the drivers, celeberty worship its called?

that to me creates a very hollow base and weak foundation for something to continually build on. they all but completly removed the ford vs chevy vs whoever excitment, now they made it into drivers and teams. kind of like wwf to me.

but what do i know, i don't watch and don't even like it.

 

Does anyone other than me think they are taking the competition out of it with this "CRAP OF TOMORROW"?

After all racing is about taking a vehicle and tweeking every last drop of speed and handling out of it so you can be faster than the other guy.
What happened to allowing the teams the freedom to tweak and tune(w/i the limits of the rules)? If someone is dominating it only drives the rest of them to get better.
Example- DEI dominated the restrictor plate races. Then childress and hendrick figured it out. They dominate now. It's called natural selection.

Some of the best races i've ever seen were run on a 3/8th oval(dirt&asphalt) with an average top speed of 60mph. Any track over 1 mile is a bore and I won't watch. They can say all they want to about daytona and talladega, been there done that, Won't go again. If I want to watch a group of cars go round and round like a train on tracks I'll get on I-285 and ride around atlanta, same thing minus 100 mph.
Real racing to me is done on dirt anyways but, Nascar needs to get back to their roots and run more bristol and more richmond. There is a reason bristol tickets are on wait for years and you can buy tickets for talladega during the race.
Nascrap can say this is for the safety all they want but they are doing nothing but trying to tap into the world market. Good for them if that's what they want to do, I don't like cart/irl and that is what they are trying to become. You cannot grow with the changes they are and not loose your core base of fans. They lost this one a long time ago. Hooters pro cup is more fun to watch to me if I need to watch a race.

This upsets me, I used to think, " my dog could drive a car in a straight line, real racers go fast and turn", Now I find myself watching 1/8th and 1/4 mile runs more than roundy.
The only reason they are running the COT now is they want the fans to get used to it so they aren't shocked at the bigger tracks, and they knew bristol would sell out regardless of what they drove.
I'd like to know about their so called safety statistics, how many of these COT's have they ran into the wall at dega at 190+? And when a driver gets hurt will France own up to it or pawn it off on someone the way they did with simpson equipment.

As far as "fixing" goes- I don't think they do but nothing's impossible. Who's to say that someone gets a quick pass through tech inspection and are allowed to run something the others are not?

Also- everybody's cheating. If your not your not competing(petty enterprises!!!!!).

Sorry for the long one or if I got off topic.

 

"Don't watch, don't like it", I would have never guessed. I have watched and enjoyed NASCAR since the cars were driven to the race, the hubcaps pulled, the headlights taped up and raced .... then driven home. I have watched it become an unmatched growth phenomenon with sellout records other sports can only envy. "hollow base and weak foundation", your post should be moved to the Joke thread.

 

i was just offering my opinion. my opinion was based only on people i know that watch it. most all do not have a clue about cars or anything automotive, but they do know everything about the drivers and are fans of the drivers and could care less about what car he drives. that to me, along with the COT, removes what the foundation of the sport was built and moved it to the celeberity watching and following status. again, just my opinion.

i use to watch it in the 80,s, but lost interst in the 90's.

i am not against the sport at all, heck, i am glad its becoming very profitable, that doesn't mean i can't input a reasonable opinion on it.