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My 1984 ranger is CHOCK full of problems. It is my first vehicle, and is NOT in good shape. Body cancer, mismatching panneling, tilting to one side and so on. However my questions are of higher concern. I know i have a misfire, so my truck kinda likes to "die" on the road now and again. Again, not my highest concern. I have replaced my starter 2 weeks ago, something abount a problem with a bendix. Replaced, and it has started making the same sound again, wouldnt start. My fiancee's father manually turned my engine over. Is it the flywheel perhaps? What should i do?!?!?!?!
My 1984 ranger is CHOCK full of problems. It is my first vehicle, and is NOT in good shape. Body cancer, mismatching panneling, tilting to one side and so on. However my questions are of higher concern. I know i have a misfire, so my truck kinda likes to "die" on the road now and again. Again, not my highest concern. I have replaced my starter 2 weeks ago, something abount a problem with a bendix. Replaced, and it has started making the same sound again, wouldnt start. My fiancee's father manually turned my engine over. Is it the flywheel perhaps? What should i do?!?!?!?!
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You say it makes a sound...what sound? Does the engine crank over or just sit there? If the engine won't crank over, remove all the spark plugs and crank it to see if it will crank over.
If the starter is attempting to crank the engine but not able to, you may have a dieing battery not capable of producing the amps needed to crank the engine. I'd definetly give it a voltage test with a multimeter either way.
You say it makes a sound...what sound? Does the engine crank over or just sit there? If the engine won't crank over, remove all the spark plugs and crank it to see if it will crank over.
If the starter is attempting to crank the engine but not able to, you may have a dieing battery not capable of producing the amps needed to crank the engine. I'd definetly give it a voltage test with a multimeter either way.
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Automatic. The engine is TRYING to turn, i remember the sound, last time it made this wirring noise, i checked the fan to see if it was spinning while i was starting the truck. Thus we replaced the starter. This time there was no reaction, just this wirring noise. Once it was manually turned over, the starter makes this loud noise, like nasty scary noise. as i said, i replaced the starter, and the battery is replaced too. I know i need a new carb, and was told to get an alternator ( sp ). I will mention that spark plug thing. Also, this truck has a major choke and timing issue. Hrm... are those connected in any way?
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Welcome Ladypheonix to the wonderfull world of FTE
Did you happen to replace that starter with a new one or was it used? The starter should spin the motor happily with a new battery. Rangerpilot has a good suggestion. Remove all the plugs to reduce the load on the starter while you're testing it on the truck. The other issues can be addressed later.
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Did you happen to replace that starter with a new one or was it used? The starter should spin the motor happily with a new battery. Rangerpilot has a good suggestion. Remove all the plugs to reduce the load on the starter while you're testing it on the truck. The other issues can be addressed later.
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ladyphoenix;
Sounds like the starter isn't kicking in,that would be a solenoid if it's just spinning.You can test this by jumping the two posts with a screwdriver,if the starter then turns the engine over it's the solenoid....Good Luck!
Sounds like the starter isn't kicking in,that would be a solenoid if it's just spinning.You can test this by jumping the two posts with a screwdriver,if the starter then turns the engine over it's the solenoid....Good Luck!
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A "wirring" noise would seem to indicate the starter not turning the flywheel.
Remove the plugs as I said and try and crank it. What engine is it, anyways?
If it does not crank, remove the starter and inspect the flywheel. See if the teeth are solid or ground up. A LONG shot could be the bolts holding the flywheel broke, but that would be a new one for me.
Remove the plugs as I said and try and crank it. What engine is it, anyways?
If it does not crank, remove the starter and inspect the flywheel. See if the teeth are solid or ground up. A LONG shot could be the bolts holding the flywheel broke, but that would be a new one for me.
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If the alternator isn't working right, the new battery will go dead too - so that might be worth checking out. Usually, the parts stores will do an alternator or starter check for free. If the alternator is bad, it really is a 'need' to replace it.
If it makes a really nasty sound, it could be the gear on the starter is grinding against the flywheel gear teeth. This can happen if the 'new' starter has a problem - it wouldn't be the first time a new part wasn't right. But, if the voltage is low, the starter won't have enough power to engage the pinion properly and it could make the same noise.
If you do go to the trouble of pulling spark plugs as was suggested above, put new ones in while you are at it - they are not expensive and then you'll have that part of your issues behind you.
If it makes a really nasty sound, it could be the gear on the starter is grinding against the flywheel gear teeth. This can happen if the 'new' starter has a problem - it wouldn't be the first time a new part wasn't right. But, if the voltage is low, the starter won't have enough power to engage the pinion properly and it could make the same noise.
If you do go to the trouble of pulling spark plugs as was suggested above, put new ones in while you are at it - they are not expensive and then you'll have that part of your issues behind you.
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I would re-check the replacement starter. It sounds as if the starter is spinning, but no bendix operation as you had before. The "nasty sound" you are hearing may be a mis-match between the bendix and the flex plate and the gears are not meshing properly. There may be a difference in starters for the manual and automatic in this year model, I don't remember.
Personally, I wouldn't go to the trouble of pulling the spark plugs. The starter should turn the engine without noise regardless. Extra work for nothing. jd
Personally, I wouldn't go to the trouble of pulling the spark plugs. The starter should turn the engine without noise regardless. Extra work for nothing. jd
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I will disagree with jimdandy here, pulling the spark plugs would be beneficial. A) The engine isn't starting obviously, but the starter takes quite a bit of amperage to run, so removing the plugs will allow it to turn the engine a lot easier. B) rubydist has a good point, replacement won't hurt (worry about that later), and C), if the engine will turn over without them, that narrows it down to the starter not getting enough power.
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If its making a kind of grinding noise I would pull the starter and inspect the teeth on the flex plate and check the teeth on the bendix of the new starter. If its not engaging properly, it will eat the teeth right off the starter or if the flex plate has bad teeth on it it will damage the starter bendix. Check to make sure that the starter is aligned properly and shimmed correctly...I went through about 12 starters on my old 85 Mustang before I found the problem so I have a bit of experience with it.
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Check to make sure that the starter is aligned properly and shimmed correctly...I went through about 12 starters on my old 85 Mustang before I found the problem so I have a bit of experience with it.
I had the same problem with my old Bronco 2. Went through 2 new starters, each time wondering why are these bolts loose. Turns out someone put standard bolts into metric holes, and ultimately got it all worn out so they wouldn't stay put. Then, the starter would come out of alignment with the flywheel, and chew the heck out of the ring gear. Let me tell you, that was not a fun job. Pull the drivelines, trans and transfer case, clutch, and the flywheel just to change the ring gear. Since I knew I wasn't keeping it, I put the old clutch back in.
But yeah, with the new ring gear on there, and a third starter, I had a 5/8" wrench in my truck that I'd use to tighten the bolts every other day. If I were you, I'd check the threads, and repair them with a helicoil if you have to. Then locktite those suckers in there.
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