Nobody said anything about legalities---you just said they didn't have access to the core stuff. I haven't eyeball witnessed it, but common sense tells you it's there. There are too many computer hackers in this world and automotive stuff just ain't that tough.

Man---this thread has gotten almost as volatile as an Amsoil thread.

Here it is in a nutshell. You have to PAY to PLAY. If you can't afford to DO IT YOURSELF don't ask FORD to PAY for YOUR MESSUPS. FORD shouldn't have to pay for anyone else's (I'm trying to think of a better word here than stupidity) mistakes.

 

Obviously, Ford has gone to extra effort to try and stop paying warranty claims on hopped up motors.

There are any number of ways they could track changes to the computer that no average hacker (tuner) could figure out. Some of the methods could involve hardware and software combinations that would fool a tuner into reporting that it made a change to a subsystem hidden from the tuner. The possibilites are endless.

If FMC decides to spend the money to hacker proof themselves, buying a tuner is very high risk during warranty, IMHO.

 

Don't worry, I hear where your coming from, the techs seem to want it both ways, make money off of Ford, and make money off of us. Well guess what, the money they make off of Ford, those savings are "passed along to us" in the prices of new trucks.

Canadaguy, Ford may very well have some good engineers, but they have more bad than good. If not they would have never tried to take a VT 365 and do what they did to it. (and you want to lecture us about "tuning or modding our trucks" you had better back up and try again, more like Henry Ford rising from the dead and trying to get something for nothing, which was the case in the olden days) If anyone here is getting screwed it is International for picking up the warranty from 36,001 miles to 100,000 and allowing Ford techs and or train drivers (engineers) to do the diagnosing. However in all honesty it is Fords control system and sensors that screw up the most.

Now all that aside, how many trucks have you worked on that have been modded that show the typical signs of the dreaded 6.uh-oh? I may be going out on a limb here and saying 20% max. The rest are what Polarbear refers to as the "really really bad trucks". Out of all of them, how many of them have stumped you personally on more than 3 attempts to correct the issue? How many times have you thrown parts at the above mentioned driveability issues so you could get a paycheck? I could keep on going, cause I know as many or more parts changers than I do actual techs, and the last time I checked both of them still need to eat.

You know this is one of those discussions that Matt used to beat his head against the wall over, and right now I am doing the very same thing myself.

Ryan

 

I find it hard to believe that some gearhead thinks he can engineer a better engine platform than Ford can. Then again, it actually is easy to believe that some gearhead thinks he can build a better engine.

Some people will see conspirocies (?) everywhere. I for one have better things to do.

Good luck with this thread. It already outlasted its usefulness.

 

I am with you. This is also the kind of thread that drive off a lot of people like Matt.

 

You must have missed my point, what Ford train driver thinks he knows more than International, you know the one who actually built the motor? You see a resemblence here? Yet we and the aftermarket community are chastized for it like we committed one of the seven deadly sins.

Ryan

 

You missed my point. How much do you really know about the intricate details, engineering, and thought, etc., that went into the 6.0? How do you REALLY know how much collaboration Ford and International had in designing the 6.0? My point is that you seem to be ******* Ford left and right without even knowing what Ford knows (and you never will). I like a good conspirouscy myself, sometimes, but you seem to be all over Ford and International. I am quite sure that International knew what there were doing. I doubt that Ford made them warranty the engine longer (how they going to do that?). What is your problem with Henry Ford? He brought many ideas to the American people, not just affordable cars, in black of course.

 

I also forgot to mention, "more bad than good" as it relates to Ford engineers? Then why are you driving a Ford?

Are you an engineer? BTW

 

First and foremost, where is the warranty information (terms and conditions). Because I need to read that. But maybe someone can answer my question, I have a '07 f-250 6.0psd I want to put a turbo timer in the thing so I don't smoke the turbo, is this considered an unauthorized aftermarket part. How about an upgraded alternator?? Just a couple of questions that's all. BTW I really think that if you have a warranty you should atleast read it before you decide how to mod your truck. $40+ K is a lot to risk when it comes to your warranty... think about that.

 

The key here is "look for". I have to raise the BS flag on anything more than that. I have no problems paying for what I destroy. In fact, I think I blew my tranny or its about to be trashed. I have no planse on going to Ford to have them replace this.

Again, this thread is about current MY trucks, lets say 2003-2006. These year trucks there is no for sure way to prove a tuner was installed IMO, unless someone can actually prove me wrong, sorry but I dont believe it. Could it be done very easily....heck yes it could.

 

We know that when International introduced it as the VT 365 it was not showing any of the symptoms it now does wearing a Ford badge.

Ford didn't have much, or their grandious control system would have been inplace on the VT365 version and they would have let International be the pawn and test it for them.

I never said anything derogatory about International, and probably never will.


I am quite sure they did also and thats why the VT365 has no where near the numbers it does in Ford trim. This is where I have a problem with Ford. They hot rod it and they have issues with it. Now they chastize us for doing the same thing. Meanwhile IH is left holding the bag.

Wow you really have no Idea how ruthless the automotive industry really is do you?

Yes he did bring very good ideas to American industry. He was ruthless none the less. If you wanted to be a supplier of materials back then you did everything his way so he could get something for nothing. Canvas for his tops and seats having to be shipped in an exact size crate made out of a certain wood. (so he could use the crates for canvas bows) Kingsford Charcoal came about because he was not satisfied throwing away his wood scraps that he got for free. Back to his main idea interchangeable parts, I challenge anyone loyal 70's Ford fan to tell me just exactly how many different starters and alternators their were from say 70-80. GM 2 Chrysler 2. I like my Ford F250 and their is no comparison in its class right now. I would have not bought a second one if I "Hated Ford" as much as you try to make it seem. I don't hate them I am just calling them out on their practice of warranty denial. I am calling out the techs that want it both ways from us the consumer when we entrust them to work on our trucks that they wont go crying to Ford if they think it had a tuner on it, (to try to void the warranty so they can get straight time to do the job instead of warranty) which had absolutly to do with why the trailer hitch fell off or what ever.

Ryan

 

Because as bad as that sounds Ford is the lesser of 3 evils in the light diesel market.

Nope I am the one the engineers call to fix their crap after it didn't work.

Ryan

 

That's good stuff there---Ryan you have mail

 

*yawn*....

 

If your tired Vic, jump on in and shed some light, it will get your blood flowing pretty quickly.

Ryan