I 100% believe Ford can tell if a truck has been tuned. It just makes logical sense. They are protecting their bottom line. It's not like whatever technology they use for this is just for SD's it can be used across their entire line of vehicles. The home computer analogy is a perfect one. unless the tuner is going to "Fdisk" the vehicle everytime it detunes it I am sure there is residue left.

Seems like your playing with fire on a $50,000 investment if you ask me.

 

Unless a person has the means risk footing a huge repair bill on their own dime they shouldn't be messing around with HP mods. It's really that simple.

There are so many alternative (& cheaper) ways to get an adrenaline fix via a motorized vehicle other than putting that 40-50k truck warranty at risk. For the price of 1 headgasket job coming out of your own pocket you could buy a decent crotch-rocket bike, or a cheap old mustang and hot rod it a bit or, fast ATV, dirtbike, snowmobile etc, ....the list of cool stuff with speed and power just goes on and on.

 

It is my understanding that the law provides some protection, by allowing companies to void the warranty only if they can prove the mod is what caused the problem. The following is a quote from a sticker under the hood of my 06,

"If the installation/use of a non-ford motor company product fails or causes a ford part to fail, the cost of the repair and any related damage will not be covered by the ford new vehicle limited warranty unless the product is an EPA "certified" emissions product under the clean air act,"

Phish555
06 F250 ps superduty

 

how come you just here about the ford guys having this problem ?

I mean ,ya if I mod a Chevy and it breaks the warranty will be void too. , but you just don't here about the dodge and Chevy guys having this kinda of problem.
ford is trying to make up for the 6.0 being so weak !
there going to void my warranty on my 6.0 because I changed my air filter, and yes I know were taking tuners but the same goes for any mod on a ford now days. there cracking down on this because the 6.0 wont hold up and you know that is the truth .

 

You only hear of the fords having a problem because (the other guys) dont have anything on their lots like the 6.0. There is more computer controlling going on with us.Ford was the first to release this kind of system. Yes, there is people out there that believe ford was negligent releasing a vehicle that wont handle 60 psi of boost. There has been modifying going on since the automobile was released. When you have a vehicle that the easy way to mod is tweaking computer controls, that is whats happening. Surely you dont think the 6.0 is the first case of denying warranty claims,do you?

 

Personal opinion: If I mod a chevy I still aint got nuthin. If I mod a dodge (cummins) I aint got much more. Now if I mod my "weak" 6.0 I got a screaming Machine. And I know That Is the Truth. However, if I mod ANYTHING, and it breaks I expect to fix it on my time and dime. Why in the world would anyone expect Ford or anyone else to fix up their screwups? Beyond my comprehension. OK I'll shut up now.

 

Chad,

With all due respect, whether you think the 6.0 is junk or not is totally irrelevent to the topic of companies voiding warranties for power mods.

If you want to trash the 6.0 for not being a good motor to modify then fine, that's a decent enough statement that would be reasonable to debate. But to just lump stock-configured 6.0s that are run within the design limits and maintained right in with folks who have grenaded stuff because of changes they made is not right or fair to a generalized discussion of the 6.0.

I could type a list that would take me 15 minutes or more to bang out about all the faux paus that Dodge had with their diesel for the model year group I had (24-valve 5.9L motors year groups 98.5-2002). So what....they all have problems. Every brand new vehicle I've owned has suffered some sort of problem, (Chevy, Dodge, Honda, Toyota). My 6.0 is the only new vehicle I've ever owned that I didn't have any problem with during the 1st year of ownership. Do I expect something will crop up, sure, but then again that would make it no different then any other vehicle with moving parts on it. Things eventually break and/or wear out.

I think it was Car and Driver that had an article in it about 3 years ago reference car companies voiding warranties for mods. It was alleged that some companies were going as far as to surf message boards for customers identified by race results and or their own general conversations on boards talking about mods they made. Mitsubishi was (probably still is) voiding EVO warranties like wildfire on folks.

p.s. Do a google search on GM truck owners that are having their transmission warranties voided because they replaced the clown car tires on their trucks with bigger ones such as those on our Ford trucks.

 

you all are taking me wrong... i have 3 fords right now.. i have a 6.0 ford (03), and 05 ford 500 (car) and a 86 mustang gt (13 sec 1/4 mile car at that)(well high 13's)

i love it and it kicks butt. what i am saying is this ... i know of all my friends, etc that have 3/4 ton and 1 ton diesel trucks included 7.3 ford and chevy durmax , dodge etc... the 6.0 ford guys are having the most problems when mods are done. they just dont hold up to that. why is ford doing away with the 6.0 next year if there is nothing wrong with it ? i am a facts kinda guy.. i am not trashing ford, i love fords for the most part. i use mine for going to work or pulling my RV (my 03- f350 6.0) now i got to say if i was going to be pulling trailers for a living i would not do it with a ford , well maybe the 7.3 ,

 

Hi Chad, after spending over a year on a Dmax board, I can tell you that at least Chevy (can't say about Dodge) is, in fact, voiding warrantees for mods. One of the worst cases (scary, since it's such a common mod for diesel owners to do), was that of a guy having engine trouble while on the road (he was crew for a Christian band). The dealer, and GM, denied warrantee on the varible vane turbo failure due to him installing a cat back (note: NOT removing the cat) exhaust system. They claimed the mod allowed the turbo to overspeed if you can believe that. Poor guy couldn't even take it to another dealer since GM blacklisted his truck...

There were other stories on intake mods causing denial, the tire size thing is actually a TSB item and GM makes you put the stock tire size back on for a myriad of ills, including tranny issues. So it's not just Ford, and I bet it's not just on the 6.0 PSD within Ford either....

 

Same reason Dodge will end up with a 6.7 Cummins within the next two years? To maintain the current numbers and still meet the new EPA requirements?

 

^^^ Exactly right. This is not new. Plenty of engine designs had to make a bigger motor to meet the same numbers just so they can meet epa.

 

I have always believed that the problems with the 6.0 have been fuel related. Thats why some have trouble and some dont. Look at the areas that report the most warranty repairs, they come from states along the edge of the country. There has been an issue with inconsistent fuel quality. Ever wonder why it is recommended to use additives? The government is mandating uniform fuel standards now (starting jan 07) Ford is introducing the 6.4 in conjunction with this date. If it wasnt for the fuel changes, I believe they would stay with the 6.0. Besides, everything under the heads on the 6.4 is 6.0!

 

i thought that is why they went from 7.3 liter to 6.0, why go to 6.4 from 6.0 now ?

 

the 6.4 is set up for the ulsd, the 6.0 is not. The 7.3 to 6.0 switch was in an attempt at fuel efficiency.The changes in the 6.0 can be made in the heads and intake to complete the conversion to ulsd. Where the hpop is on the 6.0 will now be the high pressure fuel pump.

 

The only reason the 6.4 needs the ULSD is the particulate trap. If the 6.0 had one, it would need the ULSD too. The 6.0 will still run with the ULSD.