Statement in Ford Users Manual…true or false?
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Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
You look for Bullydog or SuperChips stickers on the trucks back window and wear and tear on the pcm plug?
Boy that's high tech.
Boy that's high tech.
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I keep hearing some say "Show me proof that they can tell if you flash or tamper!" I say that before you dump hundreds of dollars into the mods and risk your warranty on your new 45k truck, ask the supplier to gaurantee in writing that their stuff is undetectable after returning to stock and that if you loose the warranty, they will take it up instead of Ford. Get that in writing and then I might be inclined to trust them. No wait! Get that in a bonded guarantee (sort of insurance) whereas paper is only paper and some of these electronics mod folks are not going to be around to back the paper.
I just can't help but go back to referencing the odometer. Seems like that is pretty permanent.
I just can't help but go back to referencing the odometer. Seems like that is pretty permanent.
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Originally Posted by letsroll93
I keep hearing some say "Show me proof that they can tell if you flash or tamper!" I say that before you dump hundreds of dollars into the mods and risk your warranty on your new 45k truck, ask the supplier to gaurantee in writing that their stuff is undetectable after returning to stock and that if you loose the warranty, they will take it up instead of Ford. Get that in writing and then I might be inclined to trust them. No wait! Get that in a bonded guarantee (sort of insurance) whereas paper is only paper and some of these electronics mod folks are not going to be around to back the paper.
I just can't help but go back to referencing the odometer. Seems like that is pretty permanent.
I just can't help but go back to referencing the odometer. Seems like that is pretty permanent.
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Tuner companies are not in the gaurantee business and I dont know many companies that are. There are too many variable to guarantee anything. If someone doesnt set their truck back to stock "correctly" and FMC finds out about, its not the tuner manuf. fault. Thats why they will never gaurantee anything.
I know that if a tech are pulling the heads, they can find swirl marks on the pistons, thats a sign of over fueling. As far as electronics are concerend, I still dont think there is a way to trace a tuner if removed correctly.
As far as referencing the secret service, I wont comment on that other than I dont think we are that high of security level, but maybe I am wrong......
This thread is about what it says in the user manual, not what can be added to our trucks, or anything in the future. I belive in the future this will be something the manufacturers will include in our trucks, but right now, it doesnt exist IMO.
I know that if a tech are pulling the heads, they can find swirl marks on the pistons, thats a sign of over fueling. As far as electronics are concerend, I still dont think there is a way to trace a tuner if removed correctly.
As far as referencing the secret service, I wont comment on that other than I dont think we are that high of security level, but maybe I am wrong......
This thread is about what it says in the user manual, not what can be added to our trucks, or anything in the future. I belive in the future this will be something the manufacturers will include in our trucks, but right now, it doesnt exist IMO.
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Canadaguy:
This isnt ment to call you out, so please do not take it that way, but why not tell us what you honestly look for. No one know who you are, its not like your going to lose your job or anything. I have a good friend thats a tech for Ford, he is an "inbetween" guy, he works on diesels when the shop is busy but mostly on gassers, and he has never been able to tell that their is a tuner. I guess FMC now has these new Palm like devices they use, but you would know better than I.
This isnt ment to call you out, so please do not take it that way, but why not tell us what you honestly look for. No one know who you are, its not like your going to lose your job or anything. I have a good friend thats a tech for Ford, he is an "inbetween" guy, he works on diesels when the shop is busy but mostly on gassers, and he has never been able to tell that their is a tuner. I guess FMC now has these new Palm like devices they use, but you would know better than I.
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Ever try to resurect a computer that was struck by lightening? Very few almost slim to none are sucessful. (remember many of the wiring harness' were suspect on these trucks, shorts were occuring on a regular basis
)While I do not advocate trying to get over on Ford, I had a legitiment warranty claim initially refused by a non certified diesel tech and idiot field rep. It had nothing to do with a tuner, and their were not many products out on the market yet for the 6.0. They knew they were in trouble form the start with this motor and knew they were going to loose money on warranty claims, so the deny everything went into effect and I think to some extent it still exists. I figure I still owe Ford one back.
Ryan
)While I do not advocate trying to get over on Ford, I had a legitiment warranty claim initially refused by a non certified diesel tech and idiot field rep. It had nothing to do with a tuner, and their were not many products out on the market yet for the 6.0. They knew they were in trouble form the start with this motor and knew they were going to loose money on warranty claims, so the deny everything went into effect and I think to some extent it still exists. I figure I still owe Ford one back. Ryan
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Now before any of you techs get all defensive, remember, you were not the guinney pig here, the consumer was and still is. You may have caught flak from customers, but after spending $50,000 on a truck that is in the shop more than it is on the road, just exactly how did you expect the customer to react? While it is the exception and not the norm I am full well aware of this. Remember some owners got burned twice by Ford.
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I've been told what to look for from engineers and field reps, now don't get me wrong, but if I give away what to look for, then I'm sort of shooting myself in the foot... It really sucks to have to replace a set of headgaskets for 18 hours under warranty (rather than the 29 hours it pays retail), and it's even worse when you know that they probably wouldn't have failed if the truck wasn't tuned and running 30+ pounds of boost...
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Originally Posted by Pittsburgh-05HD
Tuner companies are not in the gaurantee business and I dont know many companies that are. There are too many variable to guarantee anything. If someone doesnt set their truck back to stock "correctly" and FMC finds out about, its not the tuner manuf. fault. Thats why they will never gaurantee anything.
I know that if a tech are pulling the heads, they can find swirl marks on the pistons, thats a sign of over fueling. As far as electronics are concerend, I still dont think there is a way to trace a tuner if removed correctly.
As far as referencing the secret service, I wont comment on that other than I dont think we are that high of security level, but maybe I am wrong......
This thread is about what it says in the user manual, not what can be added to our trucks, or anything in the future. I belive in the future this will be something the manufacturers will include in our trucks, but right now, it doesnt exist IMO.
I know that if a tech are pulling the heads, they can find swirl marks on the pistons, thats a sign of over fueling. As far as electronics are concerend, I still dont think there is a way to trace a tuner if removed correctly.
As far as referencing the secret service, I wont comment on that other than I dont think we are that high of security level, but maybe I am wrong......
This thread is about what it says in the user manual, not what can be added to our trucks, or anything in the future. I belive in the future this will be something the manufacturers will include in our trucks, but right now, it doesnt exist IMO.
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Lets don't start about the head gaskets.......there were puking trucks before there were tuners (almost) I had two of them and since ford changed the design of the head gaskets it's not been much of a problem--at least not on my truck and I've run the snot out of my truck. I know trucks that ran 32 lbs of boost on factory tunes. I had a december 02 production truck that would absolutely run a 'vette down up to the point where the speedo went backwards and it NEVER had a tuner on it. That's the way I got it from Ford--till the first time it went in for 10 injectors--yes--4 then 6 more--two of them lasted 3 days. You're avoiding the question because you don't know.....you know signs maybe but not for sure. I fixed my puking--dang the warranty. It wasn't worth the downtime. I understand your pain about the warranty thing, but........maybe you feel some of OUR pain now.
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Originally Posted by Keith1984
As for setting the truck back to stock correctly, how exactly do you go about that. The tuner manufacturers can tell you how to but they cannot guarantee that FMC can't still see a tuner was used. They're limited in what they really know about the capabilities of the electronics used in the vehicles they make tuning devices for. They don't have access to the core specifics.
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Originally Posted by npccpartsman
Yes they do. Someone made it--someone can break it.
Last edited by Keith1984; Aug 15, 2006 at 09:29 PM.
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Ok, I'm going to come to canadaguys rescue. Just not in a way you would expect. Let me ask you guys some questions, and you can answer them any way you want. Snap-On takes a long time to update their scanners, according to my dealer "we have the data, we have to wait for licencing to use it. Is snap on the only ones that Ford sells this "data" to? If they sell this data, what kind of "provisions" are made on both sides? If a lot of money switches hands, how much" allowance" is made before a "plug" is pulled? If there is a "plug", where is it?
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Originally Posted by vloney
Ok, I'm going to come to canadaguys rescue. Just not in a way you would expect. Let me ask you guys some questions, and you can answer them any way you want. Snap-On takes a long time to update their scanners, according to my dealer "we have the data, we have to wait for licencing to use it. Is snap on the only ones that Ford sells this "data" to? If they sell this data, what kind of "provisions" are made on both sides? If a lot of money switches hands, how much" allowance" is made before a "plug" is pulled? If there is a "plug", where is it?