Statement in Ford Users Manual…true or false?
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ulsd
Originally Posted by vloney
the 6.4 is set up for the ulsd, the 6.0 is not. The 7.3 to 6.0 switch was in an attempt at fuel efficiency.The changes in the 6.0 can be made in the heads and intake to complete the conversion to ulsd. Where the hpop is on the 6.0 will now be the high pressure fuel pump.
I thought they went away from the 7.3 ( by the way ..that engine was out for years and pretty much all the bugs worked out . and a tough engine that has been out for years) anyway like I said I thought they dropped the 7.3 for engine noise & emission reasons.so that is why I wonder why drop the 6.0 after only 5 years or 4 years ???
I point is ya if you mod you truck to add 100 hp and 200 ft-lbs and go pull a 30 ft trailer up a mountain full bore and drop your transmission . then ya don't go to ford and expect them to fix it
but if you mod you truck to the tune of 50 hp or so just for a little extra zip and it blows up. I call that poor engineering. the 7.3 would handle it ! why not the 6.0
I am a fair guy I don't expect ford to pay when someone is dumb and trys to turn there truck into a big rig. but if it falls apart by adding a small tuner or air filter, then its a engineering problem that there trying to make us pay for.
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I was trying to make a comment about the ULSD in the 6.0. there is information about the 6l running the ulsd--won't hurt it a bit--probably even beneficial.
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Originally Posted by chadjones99
but if you mod you truck to the tune of 50 hp or so just for a little extra zip and it blows up. I call that poor engineering. the 7.3 would handle it ! why not the 6.0 I am a fair guy I don't expect ford to pay when someone is dumb and trys to turn there truck into a big rig. but if it falls apart by adding a small tuner or air filter, then its a engineering problem that there trying to make us pay for.
How can you compare changing an air filter to changing the configuration of the computer?
The 6.0 may have it's problems but IMO you are off base on that one.
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Originally Posted by n3hcp
OK, so I posed the same question to some of the leading tuner manufacturers and here is one of the replies I received:
When returned to stock, our tuners put an exact copy of the binary image
back into the truck, with not tell tale signs that there was a flasher.
Note, whenever anybody flashes a truck, or even disconnects a battery, the P1000 code will be stored in memory, this will be the only detectable indication that anything was done to the vehicle.
We often get Ford dealers to call us and ask how you can tell a performance flash was done to the vehicle, and our response is, with our software, there is no signs of modification.
It seems to me that either Ford is trying to mislead me or the tuner manufacturer is unaware of some hidden memory in the trucks computer.
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When returned to stock, our tuners put an exact copy of the binary image
back into the truck, with not tell tale signs that there was a flasher.
Note, whenever anybody flashes a truck, or even disconnects a battery, the P1000 code will be stored in memory, this will be the only detectable indication that anything was done to the vehicle.
We often get Ford dealers to call us and ask how you can tell a performance flash was done to the vehicle, and our response is, with our software, there is no signs of modification.
It seems to me that either Ford is trying to mislead me or the tuner manufacturer is unaware of some hidden memory in the trucks computer.
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chad---the 6.0 most definately can run ulsd--the 6.4 cant run anything but ulsd. Ford has a lubricity additive for those that are concerned about the lessened sulfur content. Yes, the 7.3 was a good motor, it graduated from the 6.9 less than gracefully (it has had its share of trouble along the way). Again, I think the difference is regional as far as amount of problems. Around here, there isnt many problems happening with the 6.0. I am the used car guy at my dealership, because there isnt enough repairs needed to keep me busy. So, from my point of view, the 6.0 has been a very good motor with little problems.
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Originally Posted by CAFordDude
How is it poor engineering? They built the motor to the specs in which they wanted it to have or that it, as a whole, was capable of having. if an owner is unsatisfied with the specs, that they knew about BEFORE they bought the vehicle then maybe they should have bought a "zippier" vehicle.
How can you compare changing an air filter to changing the configuration of the computer?
The 6.0 may have it's problems but IMO you are off base on that one.
How can you compare changing an air filter to changing the configuration of the computer?
The 6.0 may have it's problems but IMO you are off base on that one.
same issue that people with tuners are having, blowen head gasket, bad turbo etc
the 6.0 is to spec then why have SO MANY people with stock truck had blow head gaskets , and why did my last truck that was also a 03 6.0 have the turbo replaced at 20k ?? and why have my in-law who have 3 - 7.3 l trucks never ever had a problem. and they don't take care of them like I do mine ?
there spec's are not engineered as good as the 7.3 that IS WHY
I am not bashing ford , I am saying that like the pinto was to spec and we all know what happen with that.
p.s. both of my 6.0 trucks have had remain oil leaks on 50k
Last edited by chadjones99; Aug 12, 2006 at 10:15 PM.
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ok here is a question for y'all... if i wanted to put a chip in but not void my warranty which one is the chip covered under... 3/36 or 5/100.. the reason im asking is i dont want to void my warranty but i would like to add a chip and everthing else that i have too so i dont ruin the truck, aka.. exaust, manifold and so on... i would like to add a lift and bigger tires so im going to change my gears from 3.73 probibly to a 4.10 or 4.56 ( if i remember right) my point is simply this.... if you buy a 40k + truck with a warranty then use the warranty and when it runs out... do what ever the H#!! you want... if your going to mod your truck and do it with out knowing what your doing... aka.. at 100hp to the truck and not expect something to happen to the engine.... then its your own d@#n fault... im going to wait just so i dont have to say... "its not fair"... thats my 2 cents anyway..............
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I think you may be at least partially on to something vlooney. I think fuel quality may be some of it, especially on the East coast with the wild swings in temp and high humidity pretty much from Maine to Florida.
What's funny is if you ask PolarBear he'll testify that just about every 6.0 he's sold from up there in Oregon has been awesome.
Other than fuel quality I think there's pockets within the country that have huge pockets of younger folks that have cash at their disposal and like to modify the crap and run the hell out of their stuff. So. Cal is a very good example of that.
I still say it's so darn funny that when I was asking everyone I could (in person) back when I was truck shopping how they liked their 6.0 the answer I got back every single time was they loved it. I don't care if it was someone I ran into at work, someone parked beside me at wallyworld, or someone on the other side of the diesel island at the truckstop, it didn't matter.
The 6.0 is a haven for folks that have screwed up the truck themself and don't want to accept that responsibility and a haven for folks "that know someone" with a crappy 6.0. It's a darn shame because so far my experience has been absolutely outstanding.
What's funny is if you ask PolarBear he'll testify that just about every 6.0 he's sold from up there in Oregon has been awesome.
Other than fuel quality I think there's pockets within the country that have huge pockets of younger folks that have cash at their disposal and like to modify the crap and run the hell out of their stuff. So. Cal is a very good example of that.
I still say it's so darn funny that when I was asking everyone I could (in person) back when I was truck shopping how they liked their 6.0 the answer I got back every single time was they loved it. I don't care if it was someone I ran into at work, someone parked beside me at wallyworld, or someone on the other side of the diesel island at the truckstop, it didn't matter.
The 6.0 is a haven for folks that have screwed up the truck themself and don't want to accept that responsibility and a haven for folks "that know someone" with a crappy 6.0. It's a darn shame because so far my experience has been absolutely outstanding.
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Remember back in the 70s and early 80s the damage preignition and detonation from poor fuel would do to pistons, cyl walls, rods, head gaskets, and valves? The egr valves, in the middle of oily exhaust, turbos crudding up. Injectors crapping out. Its not a far stretch to blame almost all of it on fuel.
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Fuel... fuel...fuel....
I blame the Middle East oil producing countries... I blame Exon-Mobil... I blame BP... I blame Conoco-Texeco... I blame Phillips Petroleum.... and any other brand I forgot to list...
Yep... it is a fuel problem all right!!!
Paying $3.19 - $3.29/gallon here in Kansas City and my cetane levels are nowhere close to what they have in the DFW/Texas area!!!!
Yep, I agree with Vloney... it's a fuel problem all right... price and quality!!!!
I blame the Middle East oil producing countries... I blame Exon-Mobil... I blame BP... I blame Conoco-Texeco... I blame Phillips Petroleum.... and any other brand I forgot to list...
Yep... it is a fuel problem all right!!!
Paying $3.19 - $3.29/gallon here in Kansas City and my cetane levels are nowhere close to what they have in the DFW/Texas area!!!!
Yep, I agree with Vloney... it's a fuel problem all right... price and quality!!!!
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Anyone who wants to tune your vehicle, I am all for it. But don't call "Poor enginering" when your warranty is called into question.
I don't have the mechanical know how or money to fix any trouble that may arise, so it is stock for me for 6/60.
I don't have the mechanical know how or money to fix any trouble that may arise, so it is stock for me for 6/60.
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Originally Posted by Beachbumcook
Fuel... fuel...fuel....
I blame the Middle East oil producing countries... I blame Exon-Mobil... I blame BP... I blame Conoco-Texeco... I blame Phillips Petroleum.... and any other brand I forgot to list...
Yep... it is a fuel problem all right!!!
Paying $3.19 - $3.29/gallon here in Kansas City and my cetane levels are nowhere close to what they have in the DFW/Texas area!!!!
Yep, I agree with Vloney... it's a fuel problem all right... price and quality!!!!
I blame the Middle East oil producing countries... I blame Exon-Mobil... I blame BP... I blame Conoco-Texeco... I blame Phillips Petroleum.... and any other brand I forgot to list...
Yep... it is a fuel problem all right!!!
Paying $3.19 - $3.29/gallon here in Kansas City and my cetane levels are nowhere close to what they have in the DFW/Texas area!!!!
Yep, I agree with Vloney... it's a fuel problem all right... price and quality!!!!
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oil here ..shell
have you all heard of the shell oil (not the company but the type of oil) found in Co,Ut area. they say there is WAY more there than all the middle east ! , they say it cost more to get out of the ground ,so for now its the middle east but when they run low, then we will be the ones with all the oil and it will be worth the cost at that point to get it out of the ground. i readed this about a year ago.
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We can tell
I work for a major diesel engine manufacturer. Our engines are provided to the OEMs with the control module that will interface with the OEM controls based on each OEM. Our control modules currently store in ROM (read only memory) many details about the operating parameters of the engine. Percent of load, fuel burn, idle time, service history if hooked to an analyzer etc etc. It cannot be changed or properly deleted. It can be deleted completly under certain hack type conditions. When this occurs, it can be 100% detected whereas you cannot delete certain bits of info but much of it all dissappears leaving a great big I HAVE BEEN HACKED signature. Guess what happens then?!?!? You got it! That unit is flagged and dicsussions ( or demands) begin about warranty and any future attention. I have an 06 SD 6.0 and will not be touching it during any time the warranty coverage.
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Does anyone think that the tech folder "small hint for flash programmers" needs to be updated? If some information in the 06's can't be erased , then that would be good info to know. I took the info in the users manual as though it would save data if you didn't unhook the battery cables and drain the system. Does any one really know if this is true about the 06's?