For 2003 we will have ready a 6.0L all new Power Stroke that will make the Duramax engine look like a farm tractor engine -- cast iron block and heads with a forged steel crankshaft

Only farm tractors to have engines like the duramax are little jap tractors. Tractors in the US have quality built cast iron engines. They use Deere, Cummins, Duetz and Perkins engines.

 

[QUOTE] I think the Powerstroke WAS a good engine.
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You say that like they changed it and made it worse, it's the same, if it WAS a good engine it still is, the best in my opinion. also talkin about the 6.6/7.3, the way i've always seen it is there's no replacement for displacement. I don't think that the duracrap is as good as yall make it out to be, personally i seen a 01 f250 PSD/automatic 2wd pull a 01 2500HD w/a duramax backwards!!! they were set up exactly the same, stock tires, every thing, ford man driving the ford, chevy man drivin the chevy. so i guess that shows who can out pull who. (at least in my eyes it does) strokes are the end of heartbeats/duracraps.

 

Bigfordman: I wouldn't take too literally the fact that it will go camless in '07. Our people will go with the technology as soon as it is ready (assuming it ever is) but I have found that their PR is as much BS as anything.

 

I am sorry. This is all so stupid. The Duramax has more power than the Powerstroke, is less noisy, stinky, and doesn't create so much smoke just to get it going. If you want to buy the most POWERFUL diesel you can buy, buy the Duramax. The powerstroke is a good engine, and I do like Ford's(I love the 460), facts are facts. Ford makes vehicles in Mexico, China, all those other places. You think they have patriotism? They have money, and whatever makes them the most money they will follow. The Duramax is made in Moraine, Iowa by AMERICAN workers. They use AMERICAN steel, AMERICAN aluminum. You guys think you would have the computers you right these with if it wasn't for the Japanese? I guarantee you some if not all of the parts to your computer were made in Japan. A better product is a better product.

 

Proud66owner: I never said they "made it worse." I admit that I don't understand their stratigy and I'm not (at this time) sure I agree with it, but I never said they made it worse. To get the same amount of power or more from a smaller, lighter package (and, in all probability, less expensive to produce) HAS to be an improvement. They are saying that the new Power Stroke will have peak torque of 600 Ft.Lb. (I don't know the RPM). Also, in order for one vehicle to pull another backwards (tied back to back), the one with the greater traction will prevail -- not much of a comparison, in my view. Bear in mind that I agree with you that the Duramax is a piece of junk (if it weren't, GM would be cutting deeply into our market and I see no evidence of that).

 

The PSD IMHO doesn't have any advatages over the 6.5L expect that GM derated their engine(and didn't add an intercooler).

Crazygoodolboy(your name appears in a lot of my replys), great job editing my signature, should I go back and check to make sure that you haven't edited other quotes? Do you think that GM would leave them selves open for lawsuits for so many years in a row? Comercials don't lie, they simply ocasionally give misleading information. But I don't see GMs statement misleading, and I know from personal experience it shure seems true.

Proud66owner, nice bit of information. What about the gear ratios in the tranny, auto vs manual, gear ratio in the differential, single rear wheel vs dually, weight, or driver experience? The engines alone are not rated for that to work. If you put it that way I can hook a GM up to brand new F-350 and tow it backwards(or forwards) as long as the engines isn't running/brakes not applied. Another interesting bit of information, the only number that an F-250 has higher is the maximum towing capacity, the standard payload, maximum payload, and standard towing capacity are all higher for the 2500HD.

Logan(that does not say "Clatter Jr", it says "Logan")

 

Powerstroke-International diesel.In Fords.
Cummins diesel.In Dodges. Duramax diesel.In GM.(GM owned)hmmm!
Remember all the little mazda made fords? How about the gm's and
dodges? If ya crawl around on your vehicle long enough you may
find alot of foreign made parts in them. Computers,radios etc.
"Russian parts, American parts!...all made in Taiwan!)
Take your late models apart and you're gonna get a big surprise.


Garett

 

The Diesel Dude, you seem like you work for international, is there already a production model that has ben dyno tested? I don't competley dought what you say, but so far I have never seen proof a G2 PSD.

Logan

 

[QUOTE]The Duramax has more power than the Powerstroke, is less noisy, stinky, and doesn't create so much smoke just to get it going.[QUOTE]mine dosen't smoke at all, and they all burn the same fuel (smells the same) and I have yet to have one pass me. [QUOTE] Ford makes vehicles in Mexico, China, all those other places.[QUOTE]You seem to think that GM dosen't. [QUOTE]They have money, and whatever makes them the most money they will follow.[QUOTE]Thats what every business does. [QUOTE]The Duramax is made in Moraine, Iowa by AMERICAN workers. They use AMERICAN steel, AMERICAN aluminum.[QUOTE]the superduty is made in Louisville Ky. The powerstroke in Chicago. Agreed, that why I own Fords.

BFM

 

[QUOTE]mine dosen't smoke at all, and they all burn the same fuel (smells the same) and I have yet to have one pass me.

My ford with a 7.3L IDIT sure smokes all the time. My dad's Dodge can pass a lot better than my pick-up(probbably because his is a 2500 vs 350, I think the differentials are both 4.10:1).
If the piston heads are higher compresion I believe the Duramax should burn cleaner(not competley sure about that).

Logan

 

BigFordMan: I know GM makes vehicles in other countries. Everybody here thinks Ford is this American only made vehicle and it isn't. That was my point. You cannot deny that the Duramax has more power, so stop being an ignorant fool. I have a friend with a 1997 F350 Crewcab four wheel drive powerstroke and it does, like every other diesel, create a nice black smoke to get moving or when under load. Everyone hear says it is made in Japan, it is made in the U.S. My hell, this is stupid.

 

At the risk of being a nit picker, the Power Stroke is made in Indianapolis not Chicago.

 

Logan: I have not yet gotten my hands on the new G2 Power Stroke but I've seen pictures of it. They are testing them on the dyno and in vehicles right now. It is a good looking engine with cast aluminum valve covers and oil pan. We will have it in production by this time next year. The tooling is being bolted to the floor as this message goes out.

 

Well it doesn't really matter to me which engine is better, Ford actually uses heavy duty parts on their Super Duty trucks. Why did Chevy ever put IFS on a HD truck? Whatever happened to trucks being used as trucks And besides the ford looks a hell of a lot better. Chevy just slaps a bigger hood on the damn thing and they think it makes it look good. No wonder they are losing so much market share to ford........they don't put enough effort in to their projects.

 

Keep one thing in mind everybody. Leave the past in the past and don't take the present so literally. Lets face it: Chevy has more than likely made all the upgrade investments that they are gonna make for a while. They just got a jump on Ford(Ford's upgrade schedule is on the 2003 year). Heard of the new triton engines? The GM 5.3 and 6.0 V8s don't stand a chance against the 3V 5.4L. Or about the upcoming 6.0L Navistar diesel(300+ hp & 550+ tq)? So ch___ guys don't try to tell us to look at the facts. Fords are time proven and still take the market today. BTW, think about it: Ch___ people have so many acronyms for "FORD" because they have so much time on their hands while they sit beside the road in their "ROCK" and wait for some one to pick them up. Just my $.02- FORD FOREVER!!!