I take that to mean you don't have 'em in your upside down world???

Wouldn't it be easier to ship YOU here????

 

Nope, no chevies or Dodges (or V10's, or 6.0l's for that matter...)

And I would be quite happy to be shipped over there, but I don't think I can fit the weather or the beaches in my suitcase...
(not to mention my Ranger or my Pursuit ute)
yeah, I think I would... The customs declaration would be interesting though!!!

Anyways, I digress...

 

i dont think the new chevy drive train is the best at all. most rated power ok but together with the allison not a chance. back to the acceleration test towing the trailer. it was said the dmax was ahead at the top of the hill buy a few lengths. now if it was as great as some claim it to be it should have blown the ford and dodge away. throw the extra weight of the ford (800+ pounds) and the 1500 more it had to tow on the back of the chevy to make things even. id put my money on the torqshift/6.0l combo before the dmax/allison

 

At the very least it would have been a lot closer. Edmunds has lost all credibility in my view.

 

i agree. the best thing is the 6.0l with much less power than the other 2 engines is right there with them. so how can anyone say that chevy or dodge has a better drivetrain

 

The 6.0 actually has roughly about the same Hp and Torque as Cummins. Only this latest version Dmax has more in stock form and it's still in a Chevy. Everything will change as of Jan 1 2007. Should be interesting. Glad I have my new truck now.

 

https://www.ford-trucks.com/lc/lc.ph...3D970599119419

 

here right from the link


The competition comprised the other two most common trucks found in these parts: the Ford F-250 powered by the Power Stroke 6 L V8 diesel making 325 hp and 570 lb.-ft. of torque. The other was the 2500-series Dodge Ram with the Cummins 5.9 L HO turbodiesel inline-six under the hood, putting out 325 hp and 610 lb.-ft. of torque.

Up against them was the new Duramax in the current 2500 Sierra/Silverado, but with an increased displacement to 6.6 L in a turbodiesel V8 configuration that offered 360 hp and torque of 650 lb.-ft.

once again look at how much more power it makes and for the small margine it won the test by it doesn't impress me one bit. fords the biggest heaviest truck by far. not to mention the least ammount of power and its right up there between the chev and dodge. the new 6.4 is gonna make that chevy look like a kids toy

 

Wouldn't the duramax's torque management have something to do with it's 'performance' times? I wish they'd do a test on these trucks with manuals personally.

 

Apparently the lastest LBZ's dont use torque management... that was with the 5 speed allison.

 

I hope you're correct.......and I also hope the newest PSD at least matches the Dmax in lack of NVH.

One of the couple reasons I don't like diesels in general is because of the noise.....the 6.0 is miles ahead of the 7.3, and the GM is smoother/quieter than the 6.0.


Before this all starts up again, I know that the overall diesel feeling is a subjective one....and that some LOVE that total experience.

To me, to have almost the powerband/smoothness of a gasser with the overall power/torque of a TD is the perfect combo........the Dmax comes closest to those parameters AT THE MOMENT.

But I still wouldn't buy one because I don't like the rest of the package.

 

I know if they use piezo-electric injectors to its full potential it SHOULD be much quieter than the Duramax.
Having 5-6 injection events per cycle will make it substantially smoother and quieter. Not to mention the abscence of the HEUI's inherrent rattle.

Whether it actually IS quieter though... I don't know.

 

No, I haven't driven a new Dmax. I will when I get a chance. The turbo lag on the previous models is pitiful.

And I heartily and confidently disagree on the ground clearance issue. I'm not sure what a "radius arm" is but if I'm not mistaken it's a part that is located between the front wheels and therefore not a challege to my claim.

I've put 'em side by side too and used a measuring tape. Again, the lowest item between the axles on both trucks is is the transfer case crossmember. It is very clear to see.

Ford has low parts that hang down up front but they are in position to be carried over breakover type obstacles by the wheels/axes. In other words, a GM truck has an advantage in being able to straddle things like tree stumps because it has IFS.

I'm speaking from experience when I say I owned a 2001 Silverado 1500 that could not go places my F250 does easily and the 1500 rides higher than the 2500HD. One place that comes to mind is a creek that I cross on my own property. Driving up over the creek's bank my Chevy's frame and crossmembers would get hung up and scrape the edge of the bank after the front wheels cleared the edge of it. If I was willing to crunch the gas and endure the grinding sound as my Chevy skidded over rocks maybe I could make it. Sometimes not.

On the other hand, my F250 crawls right down into and back out of the same creek without it's frame or anything even contacting the ground. The Ford's SFA is always going to lose a few inches between the front tires but for most situations the front tires are going to carry that stuff with them so it won't ground out. Both trucks are/were ext cab short box 4x4s.

 

Couple of comments.

1. According to GM's marketing surveys, something like 75% of all full-size pickups never leave pavement, so off-road capability just isn't high on GM's priority list. Like it or not, on-pavement ride and drive is what the Silverado is designed to shine at.... and I personally think it does.
2. Turbo-lag in a D-max? Ummmm..... no. If there was, it wasn't a healthy motor.
3. Whatever the merits and disadvantages of the various powertrains, we're all buying a truck- not just an engine.

 

That 75% figure is kind of hard to buy.. with all the construction vehicles, oilfield working, RVing, and even just having fun.. trucks are bound to be off-road sometime.

Definetly agree on your last point polarbear, unless there is a HUGE HUGE difference in motor performance, people are going to buy what they feel most comfortable in, like the appearance of,etc, as i'm pretty sure no one really NEEDS a 350+hp diesle engine in a 350.