Edmonds 2006 HD Pickup Comparison Test
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From: ontario, canada
we are not talking about a tractor trailer that has 3000 ft/lbs for torque. 1500lbs is going to make a noticeable difference. out pull out excelerate ok. as for how tough they are chevys are a joke. my uncle owns a storage company in northern ontario and in all 4 of his 3500 diesels with 7' plows(not that big for a 1 ton) he cant make it more than 25000km without needing a complete front end rebuild. my dad has 160000km on his 2000 f250 with a plow and it still has the original front end with the exception of tires. lets do some real world tests on these trucks and see who comes out on top.
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i forgot to add in to my last post. how many heavy duty vehicles out there do you see out there with independent front suspension. they may have a strong engine and tranny but in my opinion the rest of it has gotta go.
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jschira,
Why do you think Edmunds handicapped the Ford in that test with an additional 2500lbs in gross combined weight? They said it was due to the SD having a higher GCWR than the other 2 trucks. But it seems to me that if you want to purely test nothing but engine/drivetrain acceleration then all 3 GCWRs have to be the same.
If you want to test how the truck handles/brakes/corners then I can see a reason to weight each truck to the same percent of their maximum rating. But that would have nothing to do with the engine-and everything to do with the suspension, brakes, COG height etc.
Edmunds purposely weighted this acceleration part of the test in favor of the GM truck and that's that. Unless you can come up with a valid reason why the Ford needed to move an extra 2500lbs to prove it's engine quality then everybody's just going to assume you're sore because the GM truck didn't get a legitimate win.
Why do you think Edmunds handicapped the Ford in that test with an additional 2500lbs in gross combined weight? They said it was due to the SD having a higher GCWR than the other 2 trucks. But it seems to me that if you want to purely test nothing but engine/drivetrain acceleration then all 3 GCWRs have to be the same.
If you want to test how the truck handles/brakes/corners then I can see a reason to weight each truck to the same percent of their maximum rating. But that would have nothing to do with the engine-and everything to do with the suspension, brakes, COG height etc.
Edmunds purposely weighted this acceleration part of the test in favor of the GM truck and that's that. Unless you can come up with a valid reason why the Ford needed to move an extra 2500lbs to prove it's engine quality then everybody's just going to assume you're sore because the GM truck didn't get a legitimate win.
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Originally Posted by MountainHound
jschira,
Why do you think Edmunds handicapped the Ford in that test with an additional 2500lbs in gross combined weight? They said it was due to the SD having a higher GCWR than the other 2 trucks. But it seems to me that if you want to purely test nothing but engine/drivetrain acceleration then all 3 GCWRs have to be the same.
Why do you think Edmunds handicapped the Ford in that test with an additional 2500lbs in gross combined weight? They said it was due to the SD having a higher GCWR than the other 2 trucks. But it seems to me that if you want to purely test nothing but engine/drivetrain acceleration then all 3 GCWRs have to be the same.
Write the editors if you don't like it.
Still sounds like whining to me.
As I said in (several) earlier posts. My '03 7.3 PSD X does what I need it to do. So does my '05 Dodge CTD. I didn't buy them to race, so I could really care less who gets to the top of the hill the fastest. Especially when "fast" versus "slow" means 1 truck length.
1/2 second in the 1/4 mile isn't going to get me from TX to OH any quicker.
Geez man. If this is the biggest thing you have to worry about, you've led a pretty good life.
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Originally Posted by jschira
Geez man. If this is the biggest thing you have to worry about, you've led a pretty good life.
Very interesting statement............can be construed both ways.
While I 100% agree that a 1/2 second in the 1/4 or a couple truck lengths up a grade hardly makes a difference, that's not the issue here.
One last attempt;
You have 2 different makes of trucks I garner from your post.
Do you frequent the Dodge site and say, "My PSD is more better than my CTD because when I tow 10,000 pounds with my CTD the Ford kicks it's ****....Oh, BTW, I only use an 8,000 trailer on the Ford.
"Of course it's a fair test............the Dodge has DRW's the Ford is a SRW"
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
You have 2 different makes of trucks I garner from your post.
Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
While I 100% agree that a 1/2 second in the 1/4 or a couple truck lengths up a grade hardly makes a difference, that's not the issue here.
I have a car show in Indy in late July. My CTD will kick the snot out of my 7.3 PSD X and pull my trailer far better. But you know what? My X is a much more comfortable cruiser and will handle the job just fine. Guess which truck I am taking? (before you answer, you should know that wifey is coming along).
Comfy cruising beats testicular bravado on this one.
Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
Do you frequent the Dodge site and say, "My PSD is more better than my CTD because when I tow 10,000 pounds with my CTD the Ford kicks it's ****....Oh, BTW, I only use an 8,000 trailer on the Ford.
"Of course it's a fair test............the Dodge has DRW's the Ford is a SRW"
"Of course it's a fair test............the Dodge has DRW's the Ford is a SRW"
Why do you take this stuff so seriously? It's all nonsense. Many (hopefully) years from now you are going to be toes pointed up, 6 feet under. Which truck is faster won't matter much then, and it doesn't really matter much now.
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Everythying you wrote is correct...........as silly as it may sound; right back at ya!!
You seem to take the fact that people are pointing out a flawed test and are on a mission to tell us how inconsequential it is considering the grand scheme of life.
In other words, we're all wasting our time!!!
Besides, "seriously" is an awful strong word.........these forums (to me at least) are always good for some intelligent (and sometimes not so intelligent) debate.
If you've read MY posts.....I think the DMax didn't need the weight handicap....which even makes the test more comical.....IMHO.
Quick synopsis...........I'm not pissed the Ford lost, just freaked out at the parameters they used.
And to be honest..........even though I think the GM powertrain is superiour at the moment..........I am very curious what the ACTUAL difference would be between the trucks with identical loads.... Which is I why I've enjoyed magazine comparos, they can get all the contestants together slightly easier than the average consumer.
You seem to take the fact that people are pointing out a flawed test and are on a mission to tell us how inconsequential it is considering the grand scheme of life.
In other words, we're all wasting our time!!!
Besides, "seriously" is an awful strong word.........these forums (to me at least) are always good for some intelligent (and sometimes not so intelligent) debate.
If you've read MY posts.....I think the DMax didn't need the weight handicap....which even makes the test more comical.....IMHO.
Quick synopsis...........I'm not pissed the Ford lost, just freaked out at the parameters they used.
And to be honest..........even though I think the GM powertrain is superiour at the moment..........I am very curious what the ACTUAL difference would be between the trucks with identical loads.... Which is I why I've enjoyed magazine comparos, they can get all the contestants together slightly easier than the average consumer.
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
Everythying you wrote is correct...........as silly as it may sound; right back at ya!!
You seem to take the fact that people are pointing out a flawed test and are on a mission to tell us how inconsequential it is considering the grand scheme of life.
You seem to take the fact that people are pointing out a flawed test and are on a mission to tell us how inconsequential it is considering the grand scheme of life.
If you think that the test was flawed, and that is a reasonable conclusion, then just ignore it. Go about your business.
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Originally Posted by jschira
If you think that the test was flawed, and that is a reasonable conclusion, then just ignore it. Go about your business.
And if you think the test was legit, and people are losing sleep over it....just ignore it and go about your business.............
Kinda funny how that works.....
Almost forgot............I'm rubber, you're glue............neeener, neener, neener!!
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Originally Posted by jschira
No. The TDR site charges an admission fee. While these boards are entertaining (because most people take the bait), I'm not going to pay to poke fun at others.
Why do you take this stuff so seriously? It's all nonsense. Many (hopefully) years from now you are going to be toes pointed up, 6 feet under. Which truck is faster won't matter much then, and it doesn't really matter much now.
Why do you take this stuff so seriously? It's all nonsense. Many (hopefully) years from now you are going to be toes pointed up, 6 feet under. Which truck is faster won't matter much then, and it doesn't really matter much now.
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Originally Posted by jschira
I am not Edmunds. They made the decision to do what they did and explained what they did and why they did it.
Write the editors if you don't like it.
Still sounds like whining to me.
As I said in (several) earlier posts. My '03 7.3 PSD X does what I need it to do. So does my '05 Dodge CTD. I didn't buy them to race, so I could really care less who gets to the top of the hill the fastest. Especially when "fast" versus "slow" means 1 truck length.
1/2 second in the 1/4 mile isn't going to get me from TX to OH any quicker.
Geez man. If this is the biggest thing you have to worry about, you've led a pretty good life.
Write the editors if you don't like it.
Still sounds like whining to me.
As I said in (several) earlier posts. My '03 7.3 PSD X does what I need it to do. So does my '05 Dodge CTD. I didn't buy them to race, so I could really care less who gets to the top of the hill the fastest. Especially when "fast" versus "slow" means 1 truck length.
1/2 second in the 1/4 mile isn't going to get me from TX to OH any quicker.
Geez man. If this is the biggest thing you have to worry about, you've led a pretty good life.
I don't wanna write Edmunds editors. They're GM biased-an idiot can see that. I can (if you really need me to) post a link to a thread at a GM truck fansite that will prove some GM owners/fans agree with this. I'm asking you because you voluntarily and directly involved yourself in this discussion.
As far as this being the biggest thing for me to worry about, I've got one f'ing thing to say to you dude: You're involved in this thread too and you posted alot more times in it than I have.
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Originally Posted by MountainHound
As far as this being the biggest thing for me to worry about, I've got one f'ing thing to say to you dude: You're involved in this thread too and you posted alot more times in it than I have.
Kinda what I was saying.............but you put it much more eloquently...
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I keep reading from some of you all that right now gm has a "superior drivetrain" with what I'm assuming is due in part to the allison tranny. How long have they been running this train, 5 or so years!?! I don't know about you guys, but it seems to me that 5 years or so is not really a test of longevity or durability, personally I'd have to give it a few more years before I made such a claim, but that's just me.