I read the artical what a joke I guess they are trying to appeal to the metrosexuals and yuppies the people that don't know anything about trucks.

I like how they brag about a 7.2 % grade big whoop try 10-12% we have in B.C. You don't know what steep and dangerous is some stretches of highway in B.C. have a 18% grade with switch backs and tight curves. Where I'am at its 10-11% grades with curves you climb those hills loaded at no more than 31mph. Would I run a F-350 maxed at 26000lb gvw I don't think so and I drive commercial truck for part of my living.

It doesn't matter how much power you got if you can't stop that load forget it. A F-550 with a 19,000lb gvw is MAXED out for brakes.

A trailer behind a F-350 your depending on electric brakes ALOT you have to be a frigging brave person. If your brakes failed on the trailer on a 10% grade in this area your gonna need to change your underpants they are going to be a little full. With the twists and turns you prolly wouldn't survive the crash if you did you may end up in a wheelchair.

I'am so glad the price of fuel is high this year it will keep the RVs off the road this summer they are frigging dangerous. Too many people buy new P/Us and big honking trailers and don't know how to handle them

 

The results are accurate. Having both a 6.0 and the Dmax LBZ, and pulling a 31' trailer with both - the Dmax pulls better. Way less effort, whether from a stoplight or cruising a grade.

Six speed Allison tranny + 650 ft lbs of torque = DuraMax is the winner.

 

I never even heard of the "LBZ" and 6 speed Allison till my buddy bought his...I know of at least 2 other older Dmax owners who didn't know of the "upgrade".............saw all the old tests where the PSD owned the previous GM combo, that was then.

Still doesn't explain why edmunds did not compare like loads?????

All us Ford boys need to drive the new GM combo before we put our foots too far in our mouths when bragging about power.

 

This thread is hilarious.

If the 6.0 had won, everyone would be hoo-rah'ing about what a great test it was (which I am sure they are doing over at the GM boards).

The 6.0 didn't win, so the test is unfair, biased or just generally sucked.

Just friggin' hilarious.

 

Maybe you should reread the posts, I don't think you get it. The trucks had to pull different amounts of weight and they were configured differently. If that makes sense to you, then yes, I guess to you, that is hilarious. Get it now? Nobody is saying the DMax doesn't have the most HP or Torque, if they had THAT would be hilarious. Everyone concedes the HP and Torque advantage for this model year. Let's see what next year brings. This is a Ford forum. Most of us like Fords and would not switch to get a DMAX surrounded by a Chevy.

 

You can find fault with any test. What about tires? What about fuel (all using fuel from the same pump), what about wind, ambient temp., etc., etc. etc. The trucks are all different (gear ratios, tire brand, frontal area, etc.), you will never get an exact nuts-to-nuts comparison. That is why I don't pay much nevermind to comparison tests.

There was one of these comparison tests a couple of years ago. The different between the fastest and the slowest was maybe 20 feet at the top of the hill. So when the winner's nose crossed the finish line, the runt of the litter had it's nose in the winner's tailpipe. Big friggin' deal. When I'm driving 500 miles today, do I really care about 20 feet?

Whine all you want. Either the test gave you useful info, or it did not. If it didn't, ignore it.

That is my point. Do you get it?

If the 6.0 had managed an absolute, undeniable crushing of the GM and Dodge, no one would b**ch about weight, ot tranny or whatever else. "Hoo-Rah! Ford won!" would be all that you would hear.

But . . ., the 6.0 didn't win. So the posts are all about "Unfair", "different this, different that".

So yeah. I find it hilarious.

 

Ok,

Let's let's have a weightlifting contest. I will bench 200lbs. You can bench 300lbs. If I win, I will then say I beat you fair and square.

 

Apparently no, you don't get it. So I will stop wasting electrons on you.

 

You're not making any sense..........I'm not sure you're reading the posts OR the test!!!!


I like Fords..........but the D/Max 6 speed Allison is better.....so I'm not biased.


Here's the problem with the test (and why I think you're lost);


If you own a 10,000 pound trailer (which I think you said you do) and you're shopping for trucks; you want to see which truck pulls your trailer better....are you with me so far???


Now, you hook up brand A to your trailer and tow it around a predetermined course.....OK???

Then you hook up brand B and do the same thing...........with me still??


Why would you add extra weight in the form of cinder block to either test vehicle?????

That is the problem with this particular test..

There are only a couple people complaining about curb weight.....they are wrong.

I think the GM will out pull the Ford regardless........but to throw 1200 pounds(?) more weight in the bed makes no sense.


The weight lifting scenario was spot on...........I can lift 100 pounds more times than you can lift 200 pounds..........how does that prove I'm stronger???

 

Seriously. Even the GM guys think the test is stupid, because it gives an unfair advantage to the GM, even though we all know the allison/dmax combo right now is the best.

If the 6.0 STILL won with all the extra weight, then i'm sure we would be saying, "hoo-rah" and rightfully so as the other guys should be might embarassed that they lost with a couple ton advantage!

 

Ever heard of weight classes?

How about golf handicaps?


Seems like a reasonable thing to do, although certainly controversial.

 

I don't know man, it seems reasonable from one point of view, but when you think about it all these trucks are supposed to be in the same "Class" and designed to do the same things, so I think they'd be best off testing with the same amount of weight.

 

Replace controversial with IDIOTIC and you'd be a lot closer. Bottom line, we're not comparing Freightliners to Honda Civics here. These trucks are in direct competition with each other for the same market and should have been configured the same way and towed the same weight PERIOD. Otherwise the test is SUSPECT to say the least. The most ridiculous thing about it is the GM would obviously have won on a level playing field also. They didn't need a handicap. The motor has a 15% Hp and torque advantage.

 

Absolutely, positvely, not reasonable. Your comparisons only apply if there is an unfair contest........a pro golfer against a novice.

Weight classes???? These trucks are all in the same category....we're not comparing 1/2 tons to 1 tons here.......a heavyweight boxer would not fight a cruiser weight....that analogy makes no sense.


It's not what you or I or anyone on this board ,or any any board, would do.



We (meaning you also) would test the trucks with the specific load WE are contemplating on pulling. That's the ONLY way to compare then fairly.




The only time the CGVWR should even be considered is if that load exceeds the trucks we are contemplating......

The Ford has a higher GCVWR..........Why? I don't know. Better brakes? Stronger diffs? More cooling? Makes no difference.....it shouldn't be handicapped with ballast just because it's rated to. And as stated previously by the trucker, 26,000 is a silly GCVWR from Ford anyway. In theory, that means an 8,000 pound truck could tow an 18,000 pound trailer....no thank-you...but I realize that's just me and being off topic.


To paraphrase the test, it's stating; "The GM is better because it pulls 10,000 pounds better than the Ford pulls 11,500 pounds."......How is that reasonable??? What does that prove??


At the risk of being redundant, it's even more ignorant because the GM would out pull the Ford even if they had the EXACT weight being pulled/loaded.

 

OK. So I will put you down for a "NO" then.