C'mon please help
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jan-02 AT 05:29 PM (EST)]well, i actually went up to the battery with rubber gloves on and put the spark plug on the positve termial battery.........and nothing even happened 
If 12v isnt enough to spark a lawnmower spark plug... then why does it spark 8 of them when the engine is running?? is the spark really small or somethin????
If 12v isnt enough to spark a lawnmower spark plug... then why does it spark 8 of them when the engine is running?? is the spark really small or somethin????
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Maybe your not understanding the electrical basics. All it is in a sense is a loop. The current goes thru the wire from the positive of the battery - to a switch - to your spark plug end - jumps the gap - grounds to the pipes and returns to the negative terminal via engine metal. So the outside (threaded part) of the plug has to be connected to vehicle metal or with a wire going to the negative battery terminal. Otherwise I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. -By the way don't shut of the engine when you do it, just pull out your manual choke half way
The exhaust tip on my old Jeep got hot today n lit up like a jet afterburner when I choked it.
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The exhaust tip on my old Jeep got hot today n lit up like a jet afterburner when I choked it. -Dan
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you can use a coil for the flame thing, or what you can do (this is really hard on the engine) set the mixture to really rich, and set the timing off so it back fires. there's your flame. i don't suggest doing this tho. it can cause some serious damage tho. i read about this on some rice rocket site. id never do it.
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>well, i actually went up to the battery with rubber gloves
>on and put the spark plug on the positve termial
>battery.........and nothing even happened
>If 12v isnt enough to spark a lawnmower spark plug... then
>why does it spark 8 of them when the engine is running?? is
>the spark really small or somethin????
Well, For one thing, 12Volts goes into the coil BUT,12,000-15,000 Volts comes out of a coil.
That's what goes through the spark plug wires.Not 12V
You never mentioned when you touched the battery to the + post.
Was the nut area of the plug Grounded to the - Side of the battery?
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>on and put the spark plug on the positve termial
>battery.........and nothing even happened
>If 12v isnt enough to spark a lawnmower spark plug... then
>why does it spark 8 of them when the engine is running?? is
>the spark really small or somethin????
Well, For one thing, 12Volts goes into the coil BUT,12,000-15,000 Volts comes out of a coil.
That's what goes through the spark plug wires.Not 12V
You never mentioned when you touched the battery to the + post.
Was the nut area of the plug Grounded to the - Side of the battery?
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- 12 will make a spark ,not a continuos spark, just once every flip of the switch. If you take a hot wire and hold it near a part of the frame it'll strike an arc, not a huge one but an arc nevertheless. 15000 volts is needed for 8 compressed cylinders and a brilliant flame. 
-Dan
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ahhhhhhhhh why wont this work! i have done every u all have said and nothing has happened. i took the plug and took metal plyers and clamped down on the threaded part of the plug... then i put the end of the plug on the positive side of the battery. and nothing... not even the smallest spark..........DANTHEMAN can u do me a favor and send me everything u have with your setup, like what type of wire...please , i really want this to work. thanks
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Did you have the pliers touching the - negative post of the battery when you did this?
Center electrode top of plug to positive post while
touching Threaded part of plug to the negative post.
WATCH FOR A QUICK SPARK everytime you do this!
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Center electrode top of plug to positive post while
touching Threaded part of plug to the negative post.
WATCH FOR A QUICK SPARK everytime you do this!
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jan-02 AT 09:39 PM (EST)]ok, now that worked! finaly im getting some results from doing all this. Now tommorow im gunna hook it all up and hopefully it will work. but they it sparked for me there is when i touched the electrode to the positive and threaded to negative (like u said) but when its in the pipe the electrod isnt touching anything, onlythe threaded part is thouching the pipe...... right?
thanks for all your help
thanks for all your help
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Jan-02 AT 09:51 PM (EST)]And the exhaust pipe is connected to the exhaust manifold >
The exhaust manifold is connected to the Cylinder head>
The cylinder head is connected to the engine block
The engine block By virtue of a GROUND STRAP is connected to the Battery.
The Switched wire you were talking about running from the battery +post to the switch then to the plug goes to the center electrode on the spark plug.
When you FLIP THE SWITCH !
Voila ! A grounded spark plug thus,Spark !
This BTW, Is the $5.00 dollar system the other guy was talking about.
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The exhaust manifold is connected to the Cylinder head>
The cylinder head is connected to the engine block
The engine block By virtue of a GROUND STRAP is connected to the Battery.
The Switched wire you were talking about running from the battery +post to the switch then to the plug goes to the center electrode on the spark plug.
When you FLIP THE SWITCH !
Voila ! A grounded spark plug thus,Spark !
This BTW, Is the $5.00 dollar system the other guy was talking about.
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should i drill the hole on the top of the pipe or the bottom? there like 18inch by 3inch wide chrome tips. Oh yea do u have AOL instant messenager Mil1ion? if not you should. it would be great talking to you, cus u have an answer to about every question i have
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Don't mount it on the bottom of the pipe as this area is the landing area for condensation.
How much space is available for it on top ? Side ?
It also needs protecting from road hazards,etc
AOL ,Hmmmm !
It might work.
I'll see if it still in my computer.
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How much space is available for it on top ? Side ?
It also needs protecting from road hazards,etc
AOL ,Hmmmm !
It might work.
I'll see if it still in my computer.
Dennis
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CRJ-----You need to understand the difference between the 120 volt ac(alternating current) that comes out of your house wiring and the DC(direct current or voltage) that is supplied to the spark plugs in your vehicle---the house voltage---120 volts ac WILL KILL YOU-----the electrical system on your vehicle Will shock but it won't hurt you at all---the basic voltage of yor vehicle's electrical system is 12 volts dc---It IS NEVER going to hurt you at all----Touch both terminals of your battery with your fingers----you won't feel anything--because there isn't enough VOLTAGE to hurt you or anyone else--- Now the 12 volts dc is fed into the coil and the coil takes that 12 volts and turns it into 25,000 volts dc----this is what will SHOCK you----but it won't KILL----It takes that amount of voltage to "JUMP" the gap on the spark plug --that spark is what causes the gasoline and air in the combustion chamber to explode---and produce Mechanical motion so that you can take your girlfriend to the drivein and WEll---You know what I mean---that's a different kind of combustion-----and maybe alittle reciprocating motion if you're lucky----fd
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Two points I disagree on.
110-120v A/C will not kill you persay ,I will throw a Bad heart for a loop though.
110-120 v A/C normally *throws the body part away from it*
So does the voltage from a high tension lead for a spark plug.
It will also, THROW you bad heart for a LOOP.
But, it's the High Voltage A/C and DC that can kill you.
The voltage that MAKES you HANG ON to it
,is the voltage that kills you.
That's All.
Have a great day -)
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110-120v A/C will not kill you persay ,I will throw a Bad heart for a loop though.
110-120 v A/C normally *throws the body part away from it*
So does the voltage from a high tension lead for a spark plug.
It will also, THROW you bad heart for a LOOP.
But, it's the High Voltage A/C and DC that can kill you.
The voltage that MAKES you HANG ON to it
,is the voltage that kills you. That's All.
Have a great day -)
Dennis
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>110-120v A/C will not kill you persay ,I will throw a Bad
>heart for a loop though.
>110-120 v A/C normally *throws the body part away from
>it*
You are really misinformed if you believe that. 110-120vac will definitely kill you, especially 60hz, which is what frequency the household AC power is in North America. The bad thing about 60hz is it causes the muscles of the body to contract thus causing your hand to clench tighter around the wire. It will also stop the heart, same way constricts the muscles, if it has a path thru it. This is why you do not work on household wiring with both hands unless you "lockout" the power circuit. You do not want electricity flowing in one arm thru the heart and out the other arm. Many people have died from working on live circuits, and I am sure they were not all weak of heart.
Now High voltage DC power will usually throw the body part away from it, but it will "cook" the spot it enters/exits the body to a crisp. At work we have 550vdc to run power units. Saw a guy thrown over 15 feet once when he touched the wrong spot.
Sparky
>heart for a loop though.
>110-120 v A/C normally *throws the body part away from
>it*
You are really misinformed if you believe that. 110-120vac will definitely kill you, especially 60hz, which is what frequency the household AC power is in North America. The bad thing about 60hz is it causes the muscles of the body to contract thus causing your hand to clench tighter around the wire. It will also stop the heart, same way constricts the muscles, if it has a path thru it. This is why you do not work on household wiring with both hands unless you "lockout" the power circuit. You do not want electricity flowing in one arm thru the heart and out the other arm. Many people have died from working on live circuits, and I am sure they were not all weak of heart.
Now High voltage DC power will usually throw the body part away from it, but it will "cook" the spot it enters/exits the body to a crisp. At work we have 550vdc to run power units. Saw a guy thrown over 15 feet once when he touched the wrong spot.
Sparky