Wrench maybe you should look at what you post !
Before telling someone to go home.
If you don't like people disagreeing with you,don't read the post or don't post.
You brought up warranty not me all I said was its recorded.
If you wish to drive your vehicles the way you do go ahead and do it.
sorry but i'm all grown up alittle further than you !
I don't need to use lanquage or comments to show my age!
back to fixing trucks!
Rich

 

That was just a LITTLE tongue-in-cheek

However:

Troop ,remeber your actions are being recorded in the black box that the dealer can look at everytime they plug in their computer. lots of wot don't look good in their eyes!

I took that as meaning warranty-wise. Otherwise, who cares that the dealer thinks?

Back to the OP's problem, though.

Could it mean the "variable plenum" butterfly is stuck and the computer doesn't know how to handle it?

Or is it a pedal-position sensor?

 

If you want to tell me I abuse my truck, buster, you better have a thick skin because I don't have patience for stupid comments.

 

Troop ,I apologize for your post being hijacked,by this simple comment made by me.
I just wanted you to know what was going on if you didn't know.How you drive your truck is your decision.
Sorry
Rich


As for the thick skin comment from this other poster,ill let that flow like a toilet does!
he hasn't been around here long enough to know better.

 

I'll be the toilet if you'll be the material that gets flushed.

 

I don't know specifically about rpms but I do recall hearing a number of years ago that some manufacturers were recording the number of minutes a vehicle operated in excess of various speeds, like maybe 90 or 100 mph. Since those speeds aren't street-legal anywhere, that data would then support a claim of abuse.

Sad to say, but Big Brother really is watching these days.....

 

See wrench their you go again thinking I called you a toilet!
Which I didn't ,but you read it that way!
Just like the simple statement I made to Troop
Ha your begining to get me to laugh about this!
Will he continue or let it go !
>>>>>>>>>

 

Well Forty, we are starting to agree on something because I am laughing too and I have to admit this is fun. Just for the heck of it, tell me how old you are. I am guessing 18.

 

I think the "black box", at least in my case (2001 SD), captures data before the airbags deploy. Not sure if that data is accessible by the dealer in the first place.

I've heard of a 'vette being "read" to determine that it was doing in excess of 100MPH before a crash. Needless to say, he hit someone and was charged with manslaughter. This was on Long Island. I think it was one of the first cases using the "black box" to convict someone.

 

Well ,I have kids who are 19 and 21.I remeber buying gas at 25cents/gal. to put in my 55 Ford.

Why do I make comments that sound like I'm 18 ?
sorry for that.Your as old as you feel.
This my last post tonight, I need some
We can continue in the am or just let it go and be friends!

Rich

 

Well you seem young at heart and your two kids are real close to the age of my two, 18 and 20 . I learned to drive on a 55 Ford pickup so I'll vote for the let it go and be friends.
Everything was all in fun and I think both of us got a few laughs as well as giving a little Friday night humour to some other folks.
Being young at heart is a good thing . Take care and have a good nights rest......... Don

 

Actually, todays's vehicles will record your speed at impact if you have a collision.
Ford states they will not share this info unless they are asked by the legal sytem to do so. Then they must. You can go WOT in your vehicle a lot of the time without ever breaking any speed limits and in many cases as when I merge on a freeway pulling my Fiver, I have to go WOT to do this safely. So comparing RPM to speed is not really applicable but I do realize if I am stupid enough to be going faster than the speed limit and I am in a collision, this information is recorded and can be used against me in a law suit.

 

OK the fellow up top (sorry lost the name slogging through all the side arguments) with the bad vibration "under power" (WOT is not relevant) You can have several things going on... make sure BOTH rear tires are the EXACT same pressure. Make sure any load you have in the bed is evenly distributed.

It could be torque load on the rear springs causing wheel hop or the beginning of it. (this is a common complaint) Only two ways to fix this, don't feed it that much power or get a set of ladder bars installed. (better shocks some times helps)

It could be a poorly aligned Center carrier bearing on the two piece drive shaft. (have you added a lift?) and Mechanics (Ford or others) some times do not properly "index" the two piece drive shaft (especially if they had it apart for any reason but some times from new they are set up wrong).

It can be an out of balance drive shaft... I have know of several where the balance weight was not welded on correctly and eventually flew off leaving the shaft very out of balance.

Get it checked out and fixed.... driving it with what ever the problem is will lead to other problems (tail bearing in trany/transfer case, nose bearing in differential, u-joint or center Carrier bearing problems like leaking seals or early demise of the bearings)

Below this line is sort of off topic rant...please feel free to not read
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I think there are a few of you that could use a good dose of reality.

I had a very bad accident in 2004 with my F250, you can see the pictures in my gallery.

I have USAA insurance (one of in not "the" best there is)

I had that accident under suspicious conditions, no other vehicle involved, and an injury to a passenger.

USAA had to get my permission (Texas law), and have the Ford Regional folks down load the black box from my 2001 F250 Platinum V10.

The amount of data recorded is impressive but it is NOT a "life time" recorder. It is more like a several second loop "first in first out" event recorder. There is no way for them to determine much other then the "very recent" history. The OBDII computers for the ABS and PCM can keep several parameters (like WOT) in memory as necessary for trouble shooting. Those bit of data are referenced to start of a "drive cycle" and not an event. There is no way the WOT bit set can be referenced to the time that the drive shaft center bearing took a dump or a tire blew out.

FortyFords is only partly right and I tend to agree that these days there is a overt effort on Manufactures part (this is not a uniquely Ford problem) to seek ways to not pay for warranty repairs, especially if there is evidence of user misuse or abuse.

I have a vehicle that frequently sees WOT (every damned day) and every now and then it sees WOT and max governed load/speed. BTW one the mechanical throttle "WOT" is a range of positions above idle position and above the 1/3rd throttle position if my memory of OBD II is correct. On the Electronic throttle they data can be more precise but again the OBDII theory only has a parameter called WOT and it does not mean "all the way opened" it is simply a point greater then some other mid throttle position.

Example ONE: If I am in tow haul mode, climbing a grade away from a stop sign, at max throttle (WOT if you will), with the V10s RPMs bouncing off the rev limiter (5200 on mine) waiting for the COMPUTER commanded two to three shift and the transmission shatters all over the highway... you bet you fanny that I have a warranty claim and Ford better damned well not deny it based on some black box showing WOT.

Example TWO: If I have a chip and have reprogrammed the rev limit, defeated the speed limiter, and upped the trans line pressures, and then bounced the tach off the 6000rpm mark, hit 105 mph and then the three to four shift came at the expense of parts and oil all over the highway.... there is no way Ford is responsible, and they are entitled to present all the evidence they can gather to prevent any fraudulent warranty claim.

Always two or more ways to look at the black boxes.

You never want that evidence used against you if you are wrong. ( in my opinion if you are wrong...whats the beef?)

But what if some idiot did what I described in example two, and also crossed the center line and killed someone you loved like your wife, son, or daughter? I bet you and your lawyer wants that black box data also.

I prefer to view the black boxes as a necessary evil...

Back to my accident. The Black box backed up my description of how I lost control and hydroplaned across the freeway and smacked a pine tree at 62.5mph slightly off center. It recorded the MPH, RPM, steering wheel position, air bag deployment, G forces at impact, last several seconds of throttle position, last several brake activations, SRS activation in milliseconds,and seat belt tensioner retraction time and distance... (if they are not on, they retract further then if worn)

So can they determine WOT??? Why yes they can, but so what (if you are not chipped and modded it means nothing)

Once you mod it you own it...and that is the way it should be. You volunteered to tear up your warranty and throw it away.

And please be adult enough to see the logic of my statement(s) and not get your nickers in a bunch...of course a chip has nothing to do with the electric door lock crapping out...you know damned well what I mean.

You break it you buy it. I have nothing at all against modding the power train... But I am sick and tired of paying higher and higher costs every where because some people fraud the manufactures who obviously pass the cost on to all of us. (OK nomex on let the bashing begin)

Better yet go up to the SuperDuty forum (where I do not hang out) and get the warranty and black box attitudes out of your system there...not really a V10 issue and my sincere apologies to all here who took the time to read these blithering of an angry old man.

 

Ok here it is, I am completly stock exept for the tires, I changed them to good years. I noticed it the other day climbing a hill at 3200rmp's in second it was shaking I feel it pretty much right under the cab. I am dropping it off to the dealer tomorrow for 3 days, as I am going to NY City. not to put down ford because this is my 6th one but I'v had nothing but problems with it. My steering is still screwed up, my right hub is grinding and skipping, its shaking and at low speed shifting as of yesterday it slams into gear, and last but not least a minor problem my rear view mirror keeps falling off. All with 4800 miles on it, ya I'm lucky. Hopefully all will be solved in the next three days while i'm tieing one on in the city.
As for the black box thing from the law enforcement side its a great thing. It really helps in fatal accidents at will record what was going on before the crash as for how long it stores it I don't think its very long I think it just keeps overwriting itself. thanks guys I'm off I will inform ya of what they found wrong.