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To me, this misses the whole point. If you've got a rod of any sort, it's about the powerplant most of all. If you don't get that, you're a poser.
I disagree completely. We run GM columns, GM wiring, GM alternators, GM front suspensions, and GM rear ends and as long as it has a Ford engine all is supposedly well? Does that really make sense? The vehicle I drive is a Ford truck...not a Ford engine. The most important aspect of a rod is the make and model of the vehicle itself not the composition of it's parts. Run a truck with the hood closed and you can't tell one powerplant from another. It's not so much about the powerplant...it's about the truck!
I disagree completely. We run GM columns, GM wiring, GM alternators, GM front suspensions, and GM rear ends and as long as it has a Ford engine all is supposedly well? Does that really make sense? The vehicle I drive is a Ford truck...not a Ford engine. The most important aspect of a rod is the make and model of the vehicle itself not the composition of it's parts. Run a truck with the hood closed and you can't tell one powerplant from another. It's not so much about the powerplant...it's about the truck!
Vern
Some, use or run the Other Big 3 Manufacturers parts that you named over the FoMoCo ones & engines, the Rest of us don't, So Do Not paint w/ such a Broad Brush, Boy-o.
Some, use Performance Parts manufactured for specific purposes' for peripheral parts & systems.
W/O an Engine, the Shell that is the Truck, Does Not go Anywhere unless you Push or Tow it, for me FoMoCo Inliners are preferred.
If it states FORD, MERCURY or LINCOLN on the Outside, one should be able to Pop the Hood & See a FoMoCo Engine under that Hood for the Whole to be Labled such, otherwise it is Just a B******ization of what it Once was & is no longer.
So, to bad if you do not care for that P.o.V. from those of us that share it.
3Mike6, Glad you found the info. I was shocked when I read that also. I got the information from a couple of different sources, a couple of charts from the web and one from a book titled "Big Inch Cadillac" written by the legendary Doc Frohmader. In the book he takes the 500 Caddy and does some serious machine work to get an engine that runs on pump gas that makes so much torque at low rpm that the dyno couldn't measure it....WOW!
Here's something to make the brand make loyalists cringe....in the book he uses various engine pieces from various makers. I think he used chrysler rods and oldsmobile pistons.
The book is fantatstic and I would reccommend it to anyone interested in performance. Anyone who has ever read any of Doc's write ups on various engine builds knows that he is very knowledgeable and a great writer.
This appears to be a brand war in the makins. Since this IS FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIASTS, then I would dare to say that the topics and replies should be about FORD TRUCKS. If the truck is not a pure Ford, or subcomponent of Ford, then you really cannot claim to be an enthusiast. Enthusiasm is defined by ones deep admiration or passion for a subject. If you claim to be a true Ford Truck Enthusiast, then your vehicle of choice should be a Ford, with Ford power train. To claim to be an enthusiast, and select another power plant or drive train for your Ford Truck, makes you something other than a true Ford Truck Enthusiast. To refer back to the street rod notation, it is not all about the motor, it is all about the appearance of the rod as a whole. If the body blends with the suspension, and the motor blends with the engine bay, and it is a classic or antique, then it is a street rod. If you just throw a bunch of stuff in an old car, and it doesn't blend well, then it is a heap of old iron that has no real style or classification in any part of the classic and antique world, it's junk from a junk yard. To refer back to enthusiasts, if you choose to butcher your opld Ford truck, and put some thing else in or under it, then that is your choice, but you cannot call yourself a true enthusaist. If you swear by a non Ford power plant for your Ford automobile, than you are a classic automobile enthusiast, and should not actually be a member of this club.
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I haven't been reading this post until tonight, so I don't know much about the brand war.....
In my '54 F-100 I have the original 239 V-8. It was rebuilt in 1979, 2 years after I bought it from my Grandfather. Still has the oil bath air cleaner and the road draft tube. I had to replace the glass bowl fuel pump last year with one I got at NAPA. And when rebuilt the machine shop/speed shop painted it Ford Blue, so I have to sometime, paint it red and put on the NOS glass bowl fuel pump I bought on ebay.
It's still the original motor, and that is the sign of an enthusiast. A purist would paint it original colors, and go back to the original type fuel pump. An enthusiast keeps it as stock as possible, and a purist keeps it in fresh from the factory, concours condition.
This appears to be a brand war in the makins. Since this IS FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIASTS, then I would dare to say that the topics and replies should be about FORD TRUCKS. If the truck is not a pure Ford, or subcomponent of Ford, then you really cannot claim to be an enthusiast. Enthusiasm is defined by ones deep admiration or passion for a subject. If you claim to be a true Ford Truck Enthusiast, then your vehicle of choice should be a Ford, with Ford power train. To claim to be an enthusiast, and select another power plant or drive train for your Ford Truck, makes you something other than a true Ford Truck Enthusiast. To refer back to the street rod notation, it is not all about the motor, it is all about the appearance of the rod as a whole. If the body blends with the suspension, and the motor blends with the engine bay, and it is a classic or antique, then it is a street rod. If you just throw a bunch of stuff in an old car, and it doesn't blend well, then it is a heap of old iron that has no real style or classification in any part of the classic and antique world, it's junk from a junk yard. To refer back to enthusiasts, if you choose to butcher your opld Ford truck, and put some thing else in or under it, then that is your choice, but you cannot call yourself a true enthusaist. If you swear by a non Ford power plant for your Ford automobile, than you are a classic automobile enthusiast, and should not actually be a member of this club.
Just a warning to you, I think you are possibly tossing some fuel on a fire here.
Its not a brand war but more of a semantics issue that you are getting hung up on. If you do not want to call someone and enthusiast because they don't use strictly 100% Ford parts then there are going be big issues around here. When you do minor maintenance on your truck do you use Ford parts? When you replace that burned out taillight is there FoMoCo stamped on the base of it? Is there Ford script on your belts? Not even the dealerships hold to strictly motocraft parts.
Dang it, dang it, dang it.....It looks like my meds are wearing off again. I'll step off of the old soap box and go back to the garage to tinker with my Ford truck, Caddy engine, toyota steering, buick brake lines and proportioning valve, jeep brake lines, pontiac gauges, dodge radiator, chevy wheel bearings, suburban seats, mag wheel, goodyear tires, blazer gas tank, pro-start battery, gates belts, bendix brakes...............maybe I should forget the meds and go straight for the electroshock thereapy..........
Call me or my truck what you will, I've been blessed with thick skin an I'm having a ball with my truck!!
As stated in the previous post, which perhaps you should read, a purist uses 100% original parts and pieces, and enthusiast keeps it as original as possible, or at least keeps it in brand. If you choose to have a morphadite, that's your choice, you are not a true enthusiast or purist. I do not care to get in the middle of a war, nor do i care to start one, but the simple fact is that if you want to call yourself an enthusiast, then you should be an enthusiast. If you build your classic car or truck out of whatever parts you choose, then you are a classic automobile enthusiast, not a brand specific enthusiast. A true enthusiast will stick to what ever his or her favorite brand is, if Chevy, then it retains Chevy parts and pieces, if Ford, then it retains Ford parts and pieces, if whatever, it retains whatever brand it is. An enthusiast is an enthusiast, a Ford truck enthusiast, is a FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIAST. I was born in one, have been raisedi them, and have owned dozens of '53-'56 effies, I am an enthusiast, and a collector. I buy them, restore them, build them, but I will NEVER insult a Ford truck by puttiing GM or Mopar, or toyota for that matter under the hood. If I were a GM enthusiast, I would NEVER put a Ford motor under the hood. Are you finally seeing the point I was trying to make? A true enthusiast keeps his or her vehicle in stock or nearly stock configuration, every one else is NOT a true enthusiast.
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OK folks, answer the poll question and move on. We have to stay away from the Brand X versus Brand Y discussions or I'll end up having to lock the thread.
Well, Im glad this site is so opened minded.. becouse if it wasnt, It wouldnt be so great.. there no problem with ones opion over the other.. I may not be a purest .. I blow my 223 up and luckly I have a donor wagen with a 351M400 and C-6 tranny to drop in my truck.. But Id be one of the 1st to say. If I didnt Id drop what ever I have on hand in it.. And I mean Anything.. I have Roush built Marine chevy 502 sitting in my shop, I have Mecury Marine Inboards sittin there, Volve IB there, OMC, Redline Racing IB Engines and so forth .. Id put what ever I can to keep my 60 on the road.. And thats becouse I love the Looks of my truck
Originally Posted by wmjoe1953
As stated in the previous post, which perhaps you should read, a purist uses 100% original parts and pieces, and enthusiast keeps it as original as possible, or at least keeps it in brand. If you choose to have a morphadite, that's your choice, you are not a true enthusiast or purist. I do not care to get in the middle of a war, nor do i care to start one, but the simple fact is that if you want to call yourself an enthusiast, then you should be an enthusiast. If you build your classic car or truck out of whatever parts you choose, then you are a classic automobile enthusiast, not a brand specific enthusiast. A true enthusiast will stick to what ever his or her favorite brand is, if Chevy, then it retains Chevy parts and pieces, if Ford, then it retains Ford parts and pieces, if whatever, it retains whatever brand it is. An enthusiast is an enthusiast, a Ford truck enthusiast, is a FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIAST. I was born in one, have been raisedi them, and have owned dozens of '53-'56 effies, I am an enthusiast, and a collector. I buy them, restore them, build them, but I will NEVER insult a Ford truck by puttiing GM or Mopar, or toyota for that matter under the hood. If I were a GM enthusiast, I would NEVER put a Ford motor under the hood. Are you finally seeing the point I was trying to make? A true enthusiast keeps his or her vehicle in stock or nearly stock configuration, every one else is NOT a true enthusiast.
en·thu·si·ast
1. One who is filled with enthusiasm; one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit: a baseball enthusiast.
2. A zealot; a fanatic.
I apoligize for failing to realize your differentiation between an enthusiast and a purist and for poking you with a stick. I did not mean to offend.
My point was that you are aguing semantics. Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Ford Truck Nutheads, Ford Truck Whackos, Ford Truck Fans, Ford Truck Lovers, Ford Truck Fanatics, etc, etc, etc
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