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To bring back the sales numbers topic. I always thought it funny when Ford guys say that GM has to sell two name plates to meet/exceed Fords sales numbers.The way I look at it is that Ford has to sell two almost totally different trucks to sell they're volume. Seems to me that when comparing the F-150 to the superduty about the only body part interchangable is the tailgate.They mise well throw in the Ranger to push up theyre sales numbers its got about as much in common with the F-150 as does the Super duty line.
Then they could have three different trucks under the "F SERIES" instead of just two and really out sell the evil not offroady weak I.F.S.ed 16 inch wheeled general.(by the way did you hear the allison has 6 gears now? boo hoo)
Then they could have three different trucks under the "F SERIES" instead of just two and really out sell the evil not offroady weak I.F.S.ed 16 inch wheeled general.(by the way did you hear the allison has 6 gears now? boo hoo)
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Originally Posted by Hawsie
The way I look at it is that Ford has to sell two almost totally different trucks
As for 16inch wheels - I actually would prefer them over 17's or 18's. Greater range of tyres (that are generally more off-road orientated). Cheaper replacement costs.
In fact, for what I want in a tyre I can't think of any reasons to have 17's.
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I actually agree with you because it gives ford more ability to have more options for people to choose from for instance a straight axle and IFS. I just find it ludicrus when people argue about the sales number thing.Also agree with the 16 inch tire too. It is the world standard. But it also limits brake rotor size.Thats the only disadvantage I see.
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There is a difference between two different models, and two different brand names. The F-150 is part of the F-Series line-up. GMC and Chevy both have half tons, both have 3/4 tons, and both have 1 tons, so technically, thats two different brand names combating one. Ford is doing awesome.
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Seems to me the two different brand names(chevy,gmc) have a lot more in common with each other then the so called two different models (f150 super duty).I could make a chevy into a GMC a lot quicker and cheaper then you could make a regular f-250 into a super duty f-250.Anyways all im stating is the obvious. If you want to pretend that Ford sells the most fullsize trucks because it out sells Chevy(most of the time) when gmc and chevy are 95 percent identical(and thats being generous) ...then thats your brain your trying to fool not mine. And as far as FORD doing awseme I think its great. I got nothing against Ford, I own one among Chevys and as well as GMCs, its Toyota I'm worried about as all Loyal Americans should be too.
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They stopped with the "regular" F-250 ages ago - I can't remember when actually it was that long ago.
You do make a very compelling point though. From an engineering standpoint the F-150 and F-250 are mostly different, the GMC and the Chevrolet are pretty much the same - well except for some badge engineering
.
But in terms of marketing/sales (where sales figures come from) GMC IS different to the Chevy, where the F150 is just considered part of the F-Series line up.
A vehicles sales class is largely determined by what class a manufacturer chooses to put it in.
You do make a very compelling point though. From an engineering standpoint the F-150 and F-250 are mostly different, the GMC and the Chevrolet are pretty much the same - well except for some badge engineering
. But in terms of marketing/sales (where sales figures come from) GMC IS different to the Chevy, where the F150 is just considered part of the F-Series line up.
A vehicles sales class is largely determined by what class a manufacturer chooses to put it in.
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Ford Vs Chevy/Gmc
I just realized that GM actually sell more trucks. Just because they are different names they are basically the same right? Maybe if Ford/mercury sold truck it would be different. I was really dissapointed when I saw the stats. The whole best selling truck ever thing is bull crap. I am seriously always going to be a ford guy but it make me mad.
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And if you bring in the SUV numbers... Ford is way behind. The platform for most of GM/Chevy trucks and SUV's is essentially the same. Honestly - I wish the new F-150 was bigger and badder - to raise the bar! I still feel like it was a half attempt. With the new Chevy Silverado 345 hp Vortec Max coming out - Ford may need to make slight changes to the F-150.
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Originally Posted by Hawsie
the two different brand names(chevy,gmc) have a lot more in common.
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Speaking of appearances, has anyone laid eyes on the hideous 2007 Chevy/GMC's that are going to debut during the fall of next year? My God those things are hideous!
Hideous, Hideous, HIDEOUS!!!! Thankfully Ford abandoned that whole TONKA misfit, and instead, elected only to make more cosmetic changes to the current SD.
But even the Tonka was at least an attempt to turn a Super Duty into a spaceship, GM is turning their pickups into.......Mini vans with beds!!!...yuck.
Hideous, Hideous, HIDEOUS!!!! Thankfully Ford abandoned that whole TONKA misfit, and instead, elected only to make more cosmetic changes to the current SD.
But even the Tonka was at least an attempt to turn a Super Duty into a spaceship, GM is turning their pickups into.......Mini vans with beds!!!...yuck.
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Originally Posted by sinister73
My God those things are hideous! Hideous, Hideous, HIDEOUS!!!!
The spy pictures do not show much though - so I am wondering how you draw those conclusions.
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Oops, what I saw turned out to be their Cheyenne concept. Man was that thing ugly.
So where is GM going appearance wise with their redesign? Beauty may only be skin deep, but I'm the type that if I don't like what I see on the outside - I'll never bother getting to know about whats inside. The current GM trucks look good - GMC being the better looker up front.
So where is GM going appearance wise with their redesign? Beauty may only be skin deep, but I'm the type that if I don't like what I see on the outside - I'll never bother getting to know about whats inside. The current GM trucks look good - GMC being the better looker up front.
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Originally Posted by BigF350
I think on the 1500 series have drum rear brakes don't they??? - either way, I see fit to install discs on the rear of my 1200lb '63 Mini, I don't know why a manufacturer can't do likewise on a 6000lb truck in 2005....
I hate to break the news to you guys:
Chevy has had four wheel discs on the 1500 starting with the 1999 model year.
They started offering 17 inch wheels on the 2005 models.
Sorry! I know you were all having a great time with this!
Have to agree with the "16 inch" crowd out there. Besides better price and availability, you can use them on your trailer when the truck's done with them.