Ford Vs Chevy/Gmc - threads merged
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Originally Posted by CHEVYMAN101
ok, first off they are not the same truck, ya same basic frame and stuff, but the GMC has a little more options as far as interior. GMC temds to spend more of there time and money on making the trucks more sutable for people who only care about the inside, chevy on the other hand has most of the same stuff, but the chassy is set up a little bit difrent and can handel a little more off rodeing, on vehicals such as: chevy tahoe (GMC envoy) chevy suberban (GMC yukon) though i will not argue the trucks are very simelar, but not exactly alikr at all. thanks for telling me were the date is, when i first got into this i was serching under google, coming accross it not knowing that it was so old. 
The bold words in your quote are part of YOUR OWN STATEMENT, in which you admit to the two brands being the same.
The chassis is NOT set up different, the front clip is a little different, and the badging is different, thats it. Everything else is the same. Prove me wrong. Nothing about a GM truck is very "offroedy", like I said, frame only 6 inches off the ground on the 4x4 models, weak IFS, and crappy tires.
I can understand if you were searching through google, and didn't notice the dates on the pages, but to join the site, then come on here, and make those controversial statements, doesn't sit too well with me. We like variety on this board, but saying crap like that doesn't get you anywhere.
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chevy tahoe (GMC envoy) chevy suberban (GMC yukon) though i will not argue the trucks are very simelar,
As far as a difference in brands (Chevy vs. GMC), that is "brand management". Convincing the consumer you're looking at two different things when in reality they are exactly the same. Chevrolet and GMC products come down the SAME line put together by the SAME people using the SAME fasteners to put together the SAME parts. When there is a difference, such as front grilles, they are made on the SAME equipment but with different fixtures.
Keep in mind the the GM vehicles you consider "offroady" have returned (as of the 2005 MY)to putting drum brakes on the rear of the vehicles. How "hardcore" is that? (It's not, in case you're wondering).
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I think on the 1500 series have drum rear brakes don't they??? - either way, I see fit to install discs on the rear of my 1200lb '63 Mini, I don't know why a manufacturer can't do likewise on a 6000lb truck in 2005....
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1500 series utilise drum brakes now. The 2500HD, 3500SRW, and 3500DRW all use disc brakes in the rear. I disagree with Chevyman101 that there are any notable structural differences between GM's two full sized pick up lines - the differences are cosmetic only with an additional few differences in option packages. I disagree with Nick that IFS is weak - especially on a 2wd, on a 4x4 it's certainly not up to the task of hard core off roading the way SFA is, but weak is not a word I'd use to describe it. Also GM truck frames sit much higher than 6" off the ground - I'd say it's closer to a foot, which still is'int very high for a full sized 4x4 pickup truck.
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Originally Posted by BigF350
I think on the 1500 series have drum rear brakes don't they??? - either way, I see fit to install discs on the rear of my 1200lb '63 Mini, I don't know why a manufacturer can't do likewise on a 6000lb truck in 2005....
So they're cutting anywhere and everywhere, sometimes too much....
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Originally Posted by dmp437
Money. GM's North American Operations is going to burn $3 billion in cash in 2005. They could be on the hook for another $9 billion in pension and wage obligations in Delphi goes bankrupt. Wall Street sees this and keeps downgrading their debt rating making it more expensive to borrow.
So they're cutting anywhere and everywhere, sometimes too much....
So they're cutting anywhere and everywhere, sometimes too much....
I hear you loud and clear............And this is a question, not a statement;
I can't for the life of me figure how a drum brake assembly could cost less than a disk set-up. Especially figuring in the cost to change back over from an existing configuration??
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The difference between the Chevrolet & GMC is the same as the difference between a Ford and Mercury. The GMC and Mercury base model is equipped the same as the Ford and Chevrolet models one level up from base.
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
I hear you loud and clear............And this is a question, not a statement;
I can't for the life of me figure how a drum brake assembly could cost less than a disk set-up. Especially figuring in the cost to change back over from an existing configuration??
I can't for the life of me figure how a drum brake assembly could cost less than a disk set-up. Especially figuring in the cost to change back over from an existing configuration??
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
I can't for the life of me figure how a drum brake assembly could cost less than a disk set-up.
The savings come primarily from the machining of the components.
Drums can have very broad tollerances on all components, Discs require very accurately "toleranced" components.
Also the materials used in Discs have to be superior quality - as they have to have less thermal expansion etc.
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Originally Posted by sinister73
1500 series utilise drum brakes now. The 2500HD, 3500SRW, and 3500DRW all use disc brakes in the rear. I disagree with Chevyman101 that there are any notable structural differences between GM's two full sized pick up lines - the differences are cosmetic only with an additional few differences in option packages. I disagree with Nick that IFS is weak - especially on a 2wd, on a 4x4 it's certainly not up to the task of hard core off roading the way SFA is, but weak is not a word I'd use to describe it. Also GM truck frames sit much higher than 6" off the ground - I'd say it's closer to a foot, which still is'int very high for a full sized 4x4 pickup truck.
You didn't say anything about the crappy tires...do we agree?
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LOL...Yeah, those tires are pretty wimpy - GM's still using 16" rims as well, everyone knows that larger rims mean better road response - hence Ford's move to 17" and 18" rims - not too much aftermarket support for those 18" rims yet though.
On a non topic related note, I'm glad to see Ford had sense enough not to go to a Tonka truck look just yet - apparantely we will continue having the best looking trucks on the road - I'd love to see those trucks without their bras on though...lol.
On a non topic related note, I'm glad to see Ford had sense enough not to go to a Tonka truck look just yet - apparantely we will continue having the best looking trucks on the road - I'd love to see those trucks without their bras on though...lol.
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Thanks Fred, I was pretty late to this party...lol.
I thought it was a complete frame-up re-design??? What happened with that? I'm not unhappy, just curious, the SD looks awesome right now. That new '07 spy shot looks as if the hood isn't as sloped as the current SD which IMO is great. Makes it look more like truck. The interior looks great as well, with high quality looking materials.
I thought it was a complete frame-up re-design??? What happened with that? I'm not unhappy, just curious, the SD looks awesome right now. That new '07 spy shot looks as if the hood isn't as sloped as the current SD which IMO is great. Makes it look more like truck. The interior looks great as well, with high quality looking materials.