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Originally Posted by stu37d
.....Now, if somebody can prove that Mac or Sosa was on 'roids- too bad, delete ther records.
Here in Seattle, we have seen this with our very own Brett Boone. Four years ago, he was a Golden Glover with 37 home runs and was on top of the world, to being currently unemployed. Hitting a baseball at 95 mph is a very difficult thing to do. Some people even say it may be the most difficult thing to do in professional sports, I do not know for sure. One thing I do know however, is that the body and mind must be in perfect sync and harmony, and any abrupt changes in this will lead to failure, or a slump as we call it. It seems odd to me, that since the use of 'roids has been exposed, Sosa and Bonds have not hit as well since '01-'02.
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Steroids is not going to make you a great player.......
What Bonds has done is insane and he even does it every year by leading the league in walks. That is CRAZY!!!
There are all kinds of substances out there that all athletes are taking...whether it is just creatine or steroids they are all substances that supposedly help muscle tissue in different ways. Some are legal and some are not...should we just ban all of them? Some guys drink gatorade and some guys drink water.....Gatorade has been proved to enhance the body to rehydrate itself better than water. If we are going to pick on these guys for all these different substances then shouldn't we just ban anything that is supposed to improve performance whether it is legal or not? Want to level the playing field even more? Ban excercise and multi vitamins too!
What Bonds has done is insane and he even does it every year by leading the league in walks. That is CRAZY!!!
There are all kinds of substances out there that all athletes are taking...whether it is just creatine or steroids they are all substances that supposedly help muscle tissue in different ways. Some are legal and some are not...should we just ban all of them? Some guys drink gatorade and some guys drink water.....Gatorade has been proved to enhance the body to rehydrate itself better than water. If we are going to pick on these guys for all these different substances then shouldn't we just ban anything that is supposed to improve performance whether it is legal or not? Want to level the playing field even more? Ban excercise and multi vitamins too!
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Originally Posted by RocketScience
Proving they were juiced will never happen. However if you were to graph (I did this) player performance from 1994 to present, you will see an obvious spike from 1998 to 2002.
Here in Seattle, we have seen this with our very own Brett Boone. Four years ago, he was a Golden Glover with 37 home runs and was on top of the world, to being currently unemployed. Hitting a baseball at 95 mph is a very difficult thing to do. Some people even say it may be the most difficult thing to do in professional sports, I do not know for sure. One thing I do know however, is that the body and mind must be in perfect sync and harmony, and any abrupt changes in this will lead to failure, or a slump as we call it. It seems odd to me, that since the use of 'roids has been exposed, Sosa and Bonds have not hit as well since '01-'02.
Here in Seattle, we have seen this with our very own Brett Boone. Four years ago, he was a Golden Glover with 37 home runs and was on top of the world, to being currently unemployed. Hitting a baseball at 95 mph is a very difficult thing to do. Some people even say it may be the most difficult thing to do in professional sports, I do not know for sure. One thing I do know however, is that the body and mind must be in perfect sync and harmony, and any abrupt changes in this will lead to failure, or a slump as we call it. It seems odd to me, that since the use of 'roids has been exposed, Sosa and Bonds have not hit as well since '01-'02.
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When the players stop wearing that rediculous body armor except
for the ankle pads then you'll not see as many walks, the point is
the players are'nt afraid of the ball so they stand on the plate, and of course some players wear it cuz the pitcher is after them.
do i know what im talking about not always but my observations??
for the ankle pads then you'll not see as many walks, the point is
the players are'nt afraid of the ball so they stand on the plate, and of course some players wear it cuz the pitcher is after them.
do i know what im talking about not always but my observations??
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Originally Posted by ANAP
Steroids is not going to make you a great player.......
I have seen first hand what steroid use will do. No other drug (legal or illegal) has a greater performance enhacing effect than a steriod regiment. Steroids will make mediocre players great, and great players (as in the case of Bonds) even greater.
Although he has denied the use of steroids, Brett Boone once again is a perfect example which refutes your above statement. Brett Boone went from pounding 10-15 home runs a year and a .230 BA when he was with Cincy, to banging 37 homers and a .330 BA in 2001 when he was in Seattle.
Remember, big bucks are on the line here. You got two chances in the big leagues; One to get there, and the other to stay there......
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I do agree that 'roids can make a few HR's a year difference. I won't agree on it raising an average substantially............In this day and age of utility players in the millions $$$$ I also don't believe a great fielding, decent hitting for average ball player needs to juice..............
IMHO, roids can make an average HR hitter great..........It may even make a better base stealer (even though there will never be another Ricky) but for the other aspects of the game, I don't see any incredible benefit.
IMHO, roids can make an average HR hitter great..........It may even make a better base stealer (even though there will never be another Ricky) but for the other aspects of the game, I don't see any incredible benefit.
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Originally Posted by i1dery
My two boys are into (especially the older one) baseball, when he
here's of this stuff i have to explain. Other worldly things they just
are'nt into that yet so i dont have to explain much about it unless
they here me go off on a subject. That includes rap junk bling stuff, and as far as role models I Am MY KIDS ONLY ROLE MODEL
Because like a few I will be in my kids lives till the end.
here's of this stuff i have to explain. Other worldly things they just
are'nt into that yet so i dont have to explain much about it unless
they here me go off on a subject. That includes rap junk bling stuff, and as far as role models I Am MY KIDS ONLY ROLE MODEL
Because like a few I will be in my kids lives till the end.
With that said, it shouldn't make a difference.........you are the influence in your boy's lives.............not some overpaid ego-maniac.
If it means anything, I raised my boy with the same attitude as you, and I could not be more proud of my son.
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Originally Posted by ANAP
Steroids is not going to make you a great player.......
What Bonds has done is insane and he even does it every year by leading the league in walks. That is CRAZY!!!
There are all kinds of substances out there that all athletes are taking...whether it is just creatine or steroids they are all substances that supposedly help muscle tissue in different ways. Some are legal and some are not...should we just ban all of them? Some guys drink gatorade and some guys drink water.....Gatorade has been proved to enhance the body to rehydrate itself better than water. If we are going to pick on these guys for all these different substances then shouldn't we just ban anything that is supposed to improve performance whether it is legal or not? Want to level the playing field even more? Ban excercise and multi vitamins too!
What Bonds has done is insane and he even does it every year by leading the league in walks. That is CRAZY!!!
There are all kinds of substances out there that all athletes are taking...whether it is just creatine or steroids they are all substances that supposedly help muscle tissue in different ways. Some are legal and some are not...should we just ban all of them? Some guys drink gatorade and some guys drink water.....Gatorade has been proved to enhance the body to rehydrate itself better than water. If we are going to pick on these guys for all these different substances then shouldn't we just ban anything that is supposed to improve performance whether it is legal or not? Want to level the playing field even more? Ban excercise and multi vitamins too!
Dude, you watch the forward perimeter and the L flank........I'll take the rear and the R. flank..............................we are incredibly out-numbered
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I agree with DOHCmarauder.
You still need a great eye to ball to bat contact to even hit the ball.
It's a guessing game on what the next pitch will be.
Steroids can't help you there.
And don't forget that maybe some pitchers may also be juiced. I don't know.
Tell you what though, the best battle I saw was between Bonds and Gagne.
Gagne's last pitch to Bonds, 103 mph; then a splash in McCoveys Cove.
Definitely steroids, but you first have to make contact; roids can't do that.
But I still don't care for Bonds outside the diamond.
You still need a great eye to ball to bat contact to even hit the ball.
It's a guessing game on what the next pitch will be.
Steroids can't help you there.
And don't forget that maybe some pitchers may also be juiced. I don't know.
Tell you what though, the best battle I saw was between Bonds and Gagne.
Gagne's last pitch to Bonds, 103 mph; then a splash in McCoveys Cove.
Definitely steroids, but you first have to make contact; roids can't do that.
But I still don't care for Bonds outside the diamond.
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Originally Posted by RocketScience
I disagree.
I have seen first hand what steroid use will do. No other drug (legal or illegal) has a greater performance enhacing effect than a steriod regiment. Steroids will make mediocre players great, and great players (as in the case of Bonds) even greater.
Although he has denied the use of steroids, Brett Boone once again is a perfect example which refutes your above statement. Brett Boone went from pounding 10-15 home runs a year and a .230 BA when he was with Cincy, to banging 37 homers and a .330 BA in 2001 when he was in Seattle.
Remember, big bucks are on the line here. You got two chances in the big leagues; One to get there, and the other to stay there......
I have seen first hand what steroid use will do. No other drug (legal or illegal) has a greater performance enhacing effect than a steriod regiment. Steroids will make mediocre players great, and great players (as in the case of Bonds) even greater.
Although he has denied the use of steroids, Brett Boone once again is a perfect example which refutes your above statement. Brett Boone went from pounding 10-15 home runs a year and a .230 BA when he was with Cincy, to banging 37 homers and a .330 BA in 2001 when he was in Seattle.
Remember, big bucks are on the line here. You got two chances in the big leagues; One to get there, and the other to stay there......
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Sierraben,
With the proper strength and technique you can throw a fast ball
over 100 mph (without the help of performance drugs). Shoot I
was throwing 97mph fastball pitches on merely strength at 17,
I can only emagine how fast if i had technique and a coach to help
me combine the two, i could have been pitching TOM SEVERS
fast 110-120mph. But those guys hitting the ball in the upper
decks and in the water outta the parks now thats a drug related.
With the proper strength and technique you can throw a fast ball
over 100 mph (without the help of performance drugs). Shoot I
was throwing 97mph fastball pitches on merely strength at 17,
I can only emagine how fast if i had technique and a coach to help
me combine the two, i could have been pitching TOM SEVERS
fast 110-120mph. But those guys hitting the ball in the upper
decks and in the water outta the parks now thats a drug related.
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You don't know that.
What about Mickey Mantle, hitting the top rung of Yankee Stadium? The only person to ever really have a reasonable chance of knocking one out. Was he juicing? He was probably just coming out of a hangover!
What about Mickey Mantle, hitting the top rung of Yankee Stadium? The only person to ever really have a reasonable chance of knocking one out. Was he juicing? He was probably just coming out of a hangover!