New Microsoft O/S
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The IDEAL OS would require a daughter card with a mac processor installed, and a harware converter so the poor little X86 chip could keep up.... It would be a port of mac OS X, with a true linux core, and MS windows driver usage. The MS drivers aren't the best I agree, but show me better hardware handling for MOST products.
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Why don't the (FTE'ers) develope a kick but operating system?
I mean those of you who are computer fanatics, geeks, experts, etc. should be able to develope one.
I mean those of you who are computer fanatics, geeks, experts, etc. should be able to develope one.
Last edited by sierraben; Aug 2, 2005 at 02:15 AM.
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Sure, get us the ultra secret Windows code from M$ and we'll trim a few million lines of code to make it a much better OS. I'll start with trimming the code for that little dog that jumps around when I do searches 
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Quick question about the memory clearing thing from rebooting... When I bring up the Task Manager and go to the performance tab, on the lower right there's a box for Physical Memory, and it lists Total, Available, and System Cache. I've noticed that after rebooting, when I first bring that up the Available is around 74-75 (can't remember if it's 74,000 or 740,000, but it's at 74-75 for the first two numbers). After I've opened various windows for documents or IE browsers, or whatever.... and then they're all closed again and nothing's open... the Available figure is way down in the 60's somewhere.... and the more I open and close things and use the computer, even once they're all closed again, the lower that number gets. Then, when I reboot, it's back up to 74-75.... Can anyone explain why that is? Is it beneficial to reboot for the sake of having your computer run quicker by having that number higher?
PS - same thing happens with the PF usage bar on the left middle.... starts around 160 MB or so.... longer it's on and using stuff, even when they're all closed, it ends up higher, like around 240+....
PS - same thing happens with the PF usage bar on the left middle.... starts around 160 MB or so.... longer it's on and using stuff, even when they're all closed, it ends up higher, like around 240+....
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From: Elkhart IN
well, windows when it needs memory, instead of pullin unused mememory from other programs, it just uses the completly unused memory, well when you close programs, there is still info for that program cached in the ram, and it sit there. you can get programs that will clean your ram and make more available.
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From: Cool, CA
Ryan, this is exactly what is meant by Windows keeping or "leaking" memory. The OS is to blame for this, not the apps because the OS manages the system memory. Windows is a memory leaker for sure; for example my Exchange server. If I reboot the system and look at server memory usage (using around 1GB of physical RAM, 768MB free 256MB for Exchange to put simple numbers to it) So if I close Exchange a day later, I won't have 1Gb of free RAM anymore, I might have 900MB. 100MB of RAM just disappears. The exchange data is actually still cached in RAM. Rebooting the server is the easiest way to recover the RAM. The same applies for the pagefile usage.
One thing that I get a HUGE kick out of is the fact that even though I disabled my XP pagefile completely, Windows XP still reports page file usage. Hmmm, what page file?
One thing that I get a HUGE kick out of is the fact that even though I disabled my XP pagefile completely, Windows XP still reports page file usage. Hmmm, what page file?
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Proven by whom? Have I done my research? Let's just say I have VERY good insight into the CPU world from where I sit every day. Look at CPU dies over the years, they don't get bigger they get smaller! Heat sinks get bigger as CPU dies get smaller. The heat that needs to be dispersed by the ever decreasing CPU die gets exponentially greater as the surface area decreases. Bottom line, heat can't disappear, it can only be transfered from one place to another. If 150 degrees is radiating off of a 1x1 cm flat square, it is much harder to use a heat sink to cool it then if the same temperature were coming off of a 2x2 cm flat square. This is [loosely] because the heat is concentrated into a space half the size on a 1x1 cm die. They reasons your HP is running at 45c are:
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Originally Posted by sierraben
Why don't the (FTE'ers) develope a kick but operating system?
Still not the easiest thing to install, but the auto installer is getting there fast. If you are even the least bit computer geeky, (you know what a chipset is?) you can figure it out with help from Google searches. In fact, I just loaded a 'spare' computer and am accessing this post with Linux now. Without much linux experience at all, I was able to:
1. Load the basic Desktop OS package
2. Update to an optimized linux kernel for a dual P-III 933mhz motheboard
3. Install Samba Server to let the linux system and my windows system to network together. (file sharing and such)
4. Install a 3D driver for my NVIDIA graphics card (no easy task at all as NVIDIA installer is junk)
5. Configure the APT sources file to allow my system to access net sites for automatic updates for both the OS files, antivirus defs, and other applications packages.
I would suggest that if you wan to try it out you do it on one of the old PC's you have lying around, get the hang of working with it, before you commit your primary system to it. You need to do some reading homework first, but if you are willing to commit to the learning curve I think you will not regret the decision.
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Originally Posted by fordboy_52
have u not seen the new 64 bit? they are size wize smaller, but the heat transfer part is soooo much bigger, therefor alowing it to run cooler... my 64 bit heatsink was the same size than my 32 bit's and it ran at a lower rpm...
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We don't take steps backwards and make electronics bigger again.
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A lot of LINUX lovers on this thread, and as I stated I like both 'NIX and Windows. I think one of the biggest reasons you won't see mainstream 'NIX desktops in offices and homes is simple - user interface. You tell me, what's easier, doube-clicking a pretty picture to install something or typing in something like tar-xzf [really long filename.rpm]? And do I mention that [really long filename.rpm] is case sensitive? If you've ever supported a windows user who doesn't know anything (the majority - sorry!) then you see where I'm coming from. The support stories I've got for Windows, I can't even IMAGINE trying to teach these people how to install their Mozilla browser when they can't even figure out how to access their IE favorites 
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Originally Posted by MRKnight
A lot of LINUX lovers on this thread, and as I stated I like both 'NIX and Windows. I think one of the biggest reasons you won't see mainstream 'NIX desktops in offices and homes is simple - user interface. You tell me, what's easier, doube-clicking a pretty picture to install something or typing in something like tar-xzf [really long filename.rpm]? And do I mention that [really long filename.rpm] is case sensitive?
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From: Amarillo, TEXAS!
c:\wind'ohs
<enter>{enter} linux
c:\wind'ohs\run
run wind'ohs\run
And there's always the old:
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<enter>{enter} linux
c:\wind'ohs\run
run wind'ohs\run
And there's always the old:
M ost
A pplications
C rash
I f
N ot
T he
O perating
S ystem
H angs</enter>
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