I'm sure this is a repost x10, but I was wondering if I could get some info on these 2 units for the 2004 6.0L diesels. What are you personal experiences with them? Which do you prefer?

I am speaking of the Edge with Attitude and the Banks 6 gun tuner

Any of these considered more relilable? Are there drastic programming differences? Does the banks 6 gun usually come with the in cab adjuster?

thanks

 

IMO go with the SuperChips form MotorHaven, better price....same seat of the pants feel.

 

I have the Edge with Attitude and love it! I think it is the best performance modification you can make for the money. I prefer the digital display for boost, EGT, and RPM over the analog gauges of the Banks. The on-the-fly adjustability is what did it for me over the Predator or Superchip and the performance is outstanding...it will amaze you with the difference in power. I have not had a lick of trouble with mine and don't know how I could live without it. Good luck and no matter which you choose you'll never want to go stock again!

 

I just bought an 04 PSD and I'm curious about this also. Anyone else have experience with the edge with Attitude?

 

Well, one reason I prefer the EDGE over any Tuner/Programmer, is the pure fact that the EDGE will protect your vehicle. You can turn it up to the highest level and set your backdown and you can run it like a scaulded dawg without worrying about watching ur EGT. Just my opinion, also I believe that the Six Gun also has some protection features, however, I am not as familiar with it as I am the Edge.

 

The Edge fails in regard to the transmission, potentially causing problems because it fails to address tranny tuning with the higher horse power.

 

I have the Banks Six-Gun with Speedloader and love it. On the pillar I have Automerter comp series Trans temp, Boost, and EGT gauges (probe at back of drivers lower manifold 2 inches from exhaust port). They look much better than the Banks gauges (honestly look completely factory) and are much easier to monitor (in my opinion) than the digital readout of the Edge monitor. They are dials and needles- and a quick glace tells you if it is in the good range or the bad range. As a pilot, I’ve even considered adding a subtle red band to the dial, for a quick reference for the danger zones. I have the Banks Monster Exhaust with the 4-inch downtube and have deleted the Cat. I’m also pretty psyched about the new Banks Techniclooler and associated goodies that UPS will be dropping off at my house tonight. I’m obviously single… and my truck hauls. Everyone that gets in it is amazed, impressed, and sometimes even scared…

The Banks unit is a fuel box; it only adjusts the engine side of the house- not the transmission. Same with the Edge with Juice. I have read a lot about the Edge with Juice and it seems that the two are very similar. I like that fact that Banks has been around forever and you can talk with people there- I’ve had quite a bit of opportunity to talk to both customer service and engineering there, and they are great (that also varies by individual). You will always find that “he who owns it, thinks it is the best”. I think they are all good products- boxes and tuners alike. I did buy a SCMT because I want to see the difference between the tuner and the box and am anxiously waiting its arrival.

Now- I will set myself apart from those people who will go down with a sinking ship … I love the Banks unit, but I want transmission tuning and the ability to read codes. I have not yet installed the SCMT program, but from what I hear it is comparable to the increase I see with my Banks unit. If I had to do it all over again, I’d probably go with the SCMT. I did not choose the Predator for my own personal reasons and preference, so that is an option too. MUCH less money, more flexibility, and even though there is no EGT limiting device, I can train my eye and foot to do the job for nothing. Just get the EGT gauge on the pillar and you will find it very easy to monitor it when needed. It is more than likely that with the SCMT, I will never see excessive EGTs anyway, unless I floor it up a 10% grade pulling a heavy load in Performance tune as opposed to Tow Safe tune.

The Banks Speedloader really works- it cuts back on fuel when the EGT gets to 1400, and there has been a LOT of discussion in these threads about ‘safe” EGT temps. 1400 is safe, but don’t run there long, and if you never hit it, your engine will be happier. Some have seen far in excess of that temp and lived to tell about it. Again, from what I have read, I will not see EGTs anywhere near 1400 with the tuner.

I did have a quirky problem and had to exchange one Six-Gun module- I floored it (level 6) going onto the highway, EGT rose to 1400 immediately with a TON of black smoke, and the power output was low- didn’t even get up to 65 MPH. This happened once. A similar thing happened while towing my ski boat – going up a 5% grade at 60 MPH in level 3, floored it to pass, and on came the smoke, up went the EGT, and I couldn’t even maintain 60 MPH, while in stock form, it would literally fly up that same hill towing the boat. I called Banks, talked with an engineer, and they gave me an RMA # to exchange the box. I bought it 6 months ago, and there was no hassle with the return or shipping- they even gave me a pre-printed UPS label. The day the new unit arrived, I connected it to the truck and sent the old one back.


Don’t know if this helps, but that is the sum of my experience and opinion.

 

I will be installing an edge with the in cab monitor this week end in my 04 cc 6.0. Question I have (prob a stupid one) is ,can i run in mode5 in 4wd to gain traction? Or will i bust something. I remember when gm came out with the typhoon , blazer ,awd with a turbo . THOSE THINGS FLEW.


LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK

THANKS DAVE

 

Put it in 4X4 - everyone does it! Just don't drive around on dry pavement in 4X4- you will stress your drivetrain and could do some damage, but this is true whether you are putting out 100 HP or 500 HP. If you want to launch in 4X4, do it, but don't turn... ie- dragstrip. These are four wheel drive- not all-wheel drive. The difference is that AWD is made to run on dry pavement and the system does not lock the transfer case unless slippage is detected (very over-simplified). You'll notice that if you engage 4X4 and try to turn in a parking lot, the front tires will lock, grip, and slip. Not good. Your owners manual will tell you not to drive in 4X4 on dry pavement, or at least not to do it much...

 

If you decide on the Banks, don't expect it to detect trans slip. Banks tech dept informed me that it only can detect trans slip, and cut back the fuel on the Dodge, not the Ford. I have the 6 gun and my tans slipped on several occasions and that is the info I received from Banks. I'm not sure I'm keeping it on because unlike a tuner its a pain to take off before warranty work, and it leaves marks on your computer wires. they could see them if they looked closely and void your warranty.
05 6.0

 

I'm pulling my six gun with loader out and putting in an edge juice / attitude combo. I've compared the both and the edge runs better. Its dyno'ed at the rear wheels and what they advertise is at the rear wheels. The banks is advertised and tested at the flywheel. I'm not worried about trans probs either , I ordered a 6 speed manual in mine.

 

I too have a 6 speed so tranny tuning is not an issue....I love the Edge/Attitude

 

Well I have an auto so I guess I should go with a tuner ah? So everytime I go to pull I got to load a different program? My brother has one in his excursion but it only has 4 settings, I'll have to ask him what it is. How high of boost do you guys see after doing this modding. What does it push stock?

 

sweet03cobra,

If money is not an issue you can get a predator and edge/attitude and have the best of both worlds. Just leave the predator on stock setting for power and then tune the tranny and use the edge/attitude for adjust-on-the-fly power.

I first must qualify this by saying have zero experience with the auto tranny. I have read here at FTE, many happy people with autos and edge/attitudes. I believe the issues with auto trannies happen in the high settings (4 or 5) at full throttle. I have also read the issues go away after the truck has some time to "learn" the new power and driving style. The person to ask or read posts on this subject is PSD 60L Fx4. I believe he has ran the edge/attitude at MAX setting with an auto and also stacked the predator and edge/attitude with success.

I have seen a max of 56#'s of boost with the edge/attitude but its been along time since I ran it in stock setting...I think somewhere near 25#'s

 

Well I'm not trying to build a race truck, just want to get the best gas mileage possible. Both empty and pulling. So all this slipping tranny stuff really wouldn't apply to me would it?