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I got my new borgeson steering shaft in yesterday. Cost me 430$cdn.
Turns out it still uses the rag-joint. I was hoping it wasnt, like it shows in the pictures. Anyway, the slits on either side for the 'poles' to catch on, only on is in there, looks like where the shaft comes out of the firewall is to high. Kinda disapointed for how much i forked out for it.
So to make long story short, my old shaft is back in and it fits pretty good.
Turns out it still uses the rag-joint. I was hoping it wasnt, like it shows in the pictures. Anyway, the slits on either side for the 'poles' to catch on, only on is in there, looks like where the shaft comes out of the firewall is to high. Kinda disapointed for how much i forked out for it.
So to make long story short, my old shaft is back in and it fits pretty good.
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send it back and ask for the one that uses the u-joints on both sides. you can get either one. same cost too. sometimes you just have to call and talk to the people to make sure you get the one you want.
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I had a Borgeson & took it right back off, it felt like it was made of rubber. It felt spooky on the road. Try a drive train or impliment dealer for a pto shaft, a friend did, cost him 65$ and it's a nice shaft.
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I was looking at this same thing last weekend when my rag joint gave out. At least on my 78, the spline shaft on the steering column and the one on the PS gear box are the same size. The only difference is that the column shaft has a flat spot on it so you can't flip the shaft.
I plan to pick up another steering shaft at the boneyard and weld the column end with the u-joints onto the gear box end. I'll have to grind the flat spot onto the gearbox shaft though. Either that or file off the flat spot inside the u-joint.
Kevin K.
I plan to pick up another steering shaft at the boneyard and weld the column end with the u-joints onto the gear box end. I'll have to grind the flat spot onto the gearbox shaft though. Either that or file off the flat spot inside the u-joint.
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Well, i took it back and they are gonna send the one with u joint on both ends, its a little more $$. I shoulda just said screw it and give me my money back, but i didnt.
The column and the box shafts do look the same to me, i never counted the splines, actualy the column is 36 spline and it has the flat spot on it, I tihkn the box also has the flat spot, im not 100% on that though.
Mine is a 78 1/2 as well, on the shaft the ends will probly be the same so hopefully the column and box are the same. If not i send it back and get my money back, enough is enough eh.
The column and the box shafts do look the same to me, i never counted the splines, actualy the column is 36 spline and it has the flat spot on it, I tihkn the box also has the flat spot, im not 100% on that though.
Mine is a 78 1/2 as well, on the shaft the ends will probly be the same so hopefully the column and box are the same. If not i send it back and get my money back, enough is enough eh.
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Mark, how do you mean it felt like rubber? i used to always make my own shafts with pto joints and they always went out and got sloppy rather fast. the borgsen made it much better and has lasted longer than any others i have tried. even the borgsen with the rag joint felt better/lasted longer.
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It was like night & day when I put it in,the truck went from ok to bad. I put the old one right back in. I could feel the truck wandering around in the crown of the road through steering wheel. It just felt unpredictable like the tires were in controll not me. Just like the shaft was "made of rubber". It steered ok once again after I put the old one back in. The u joints are whimpy and with 40" tires the whole shaft flexes.
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Are the rag joints not replaceable on these trucks? If the column is otherwise in good condition I would just replace the rag joint. Maybe you can get a polyurethane one. I did that for my baja bug and it tightened things up and cost very little.
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The rag joint is a vibration isolator that keeps road vibration from being transmitted up thru the steering wheel. Without it the vibration will literaly beat the blood out of your fingers on a long drive. I won't run a steering shaft without a rag joint. There is no play in a good rag joint like the slop you can get in U-joints. A rag joint will last 20+ years where the U-joints will wear out much sooner.
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That is a good point Torque1st about the vibration. I'm sure that polyurethane 'rag joint' I put in the bug added some vibration to the steering wheel. Of course I never noticed it because the whole car vibrated and shook bones loose in desert terrain anyways...
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I use the std "tire casing" looking rag joints made of rubber and cloth layers. The rag joint is a vibration isolator designed so that coaxial motion in the lower part does not get transmitted to the upper part. Any rotary motion is of course transmitted.
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