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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
I'm not a fan of Rotella(I just don't like the sound of the name) but Rotella is a proven diesel oil, probably the best seller of all. I haven't heard any complaints. Shell also makes a Synthetic Rotella T which was my second choice if I couldn't find Mobil D-1.
I meant Rotella T, which comes in both regular and synthetic.

Originally Posted by bwalker5
I guess Amsoil is lying when they print it on both the 3000 Series Synthetic and the Heavy Duty Diesel and Marine oil bottles.
And they state it on their website.
I wonder if the API is after them?
It's not API rated. The only oil they have API certified for diesel use is a synthetic blend. They use the verbage "AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil is Recommended for Applications Requiring the Following Specifications:," but it is not actually certified. Check out the link for yourself. There is no API symbol on the bottles.

http://www.amsoil.com/products/ame.html
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 04:49 AM
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Bout the only thing everone will agree with on oil is.....Hooter girls look great in their uniforms! That is to say....nothing!
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 05:43 AM
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I get diesel at $1.619 at Chevron in Round Rock, Texas. Why is that? Are you being ripped off? HMMMM.
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
Bout the only thing everone will agree with on oil is.....Hooter girls look great in their uniforms! That is to say....nothing!
Then there would be arguements on which girl looks best covered in their favorite oil.
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 10:57 AM
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What kinda fuel milage do you think you will get switching to the 10W-30W. This is not a smart *** question, i am very curious. Is it 1 mile per gallon or more or what ? I started using the Rotilla-T 5W-40W synthetic, it meets the CH-I requirements and states it is for most diesels out there. I hope i did not make a bad decision here. Wally World sells a gallon for 12.89, pretty damn cheap, but maybe i am paying for what i am getting, do not know.
thanks.
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Tadashi
Well, as soon as I can find the Mobil 1 Delvac or Truck and SUV I am going to put that in at the first oil change along with an oil bypass filter.
Can you give me some info on this oil bypass filter?
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
I don't know where you got your information, but it is not accurate. Rotella T is one of the leading oils in the industry for diesels and has anti-foaming agents. You wouldn't see it sitting in so many diesel shops if it didn't have anti-foaming agents.

I also do not believe that Pennzoil bottles Motorcraft oils.


I got my info from Ford, Motorcraft, and Shell the makers of ROtella T. I guess they don't even know theyre products. But, I forgot you must be the knower of all things concerning diesels........
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:29 PM
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Easy!!

I was told by a Ford Engineer at the Powerstroke demo trailer that Motorcraft is bottled by Conoco. Does it matter?
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PSD6litre40


I got my info from Ford, Motorcraft, and Shell the makers of ROtella T. I guess they don't even know theyre products. But, I forgot you must be the knower of all things concerning diesels........
Rotella DOES have the anti-foaming additive. This is based on information from Ford, Shell, and the API. If an oil has the CI-4 rating you DO NOT need to use additives. It meets or exceeds requirements for the 6.0 PSD. This is from Shell:

SOC: 437- 02/04
SHELL ROTELLA® T Multigrade
WITH ADVANCED SOOT CONTROL
High performance all-season engine oil
Product Description
Shell Rotella® T SAE 15W-40 With Advanced Soot Control is a premium quality, heavy-duty multigrade oil for all-season use in diesel-powered or a mix of gasoline- and diesel-powered equipment. It meets or exceeds the warranty and service requirements of virtually all diesel and gasoline engine manufacturers – for both newer and older engines. It is recommended especially for all on-highway service applications, and is also recommended for off-highway applications, especially where all-season use is desired.
Over the past 25 years, Shell Rotella® T has become the best selling heavy-duty multigrade oil in the U.S. Tightening of federal emission requirements have resulted in engine designs that require enhanced oil performance, Shell Rotella® T SAE 15W-40 is a leader in meeting leading OEM’s specifications as well as the enhanced oil performance requirements for API CI-4, Caterpillar ECF-1,Cummins CES 20078, Mack EO-N Premium Plus 03 and Volvo VDS-3. With these credentials, Shell Rotella® T SAE 15W-40 represents “The Next Generation in Performance” and is the top-of-the-line heavy-duty engine oil recommendation.
Also formulated with Advanced Soot Control chemistry, Shell Rotella® T SAE 15W-40 and SAE 10W-30 deliver exceptional heavy-duty and soot control protection plus outstanding cold weather

I don't claim to be all-knowing, but this is a black and white issue. CI-4 rating = OK to use in the 6.0 PSD without additives.
 

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Old May 3, 2004 | 05:41 PM
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SBV45 no harm was meant towards you. johnsdiesel said:I also do not believe that Pennzoil bottles Motorcraft oils

And I know for a fact that if you goto any dealership in your area when ur oil is changed they will put Pennzoil Oil in your vehicle not Motorcraft. It IS THE SAME STUFF. I have been told this by multiple dealerships. My Uncle works for Ford and they even put Pennzoil in them from the factory, but, what do I know....................
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PSD6litre40
And I know for a fact that if you goto any dealership in your area when ur oil is changed they will put Pennzoil Oil in your vehicle not Motorcraft. It IS THE SAME STUFF. I have been told this by multiple dealerships. My Uncle works for Ford and they even put Pennzoil in them from the factory, but, what do I know....................
I'll concede that point because I'm not up on "who packages what" currently. I had never heard of Pennzoil providing oil to Motorcraft.

If you have information contrary to the Rotella T anti-foaming information I provided, please post it.
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 06:03 PM
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What exactly is the "bypass oil filter"? How is it installed?
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by johnsdiesel
The full synthetic that Amsoil sells for diesel engines is NOT API certified. Ford requires in order to maintain warranty that you use the proper API certified oil, not an oil that meets the requirements but lacks certification.
Response from Amsoil regarding your claims...
To: Blake

From: AMSOIL Technical Services

Thanks for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.

In response to your inquiry, all of our oils are API certified. However only the entry level XL7500 series oils are licensed. Licensing is optional, and as all of our top tier products far exceed the minimum API licensing standards, we choose not to inflate the product cost with these unnecessary licensing costs.

They went on with a lengthy explanation as to why they didn't pay the API so they could use the "licensed" symbol. Way too much to post here.
Basically, Amsoil is certified but not licensed to use the symbol.

Hope this clears it up for everybody....
And no, I'm not an Amsoil dealer. Just a consumer....

L8R
Blake
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 06:11 PM
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Maybe this will clear up the Pennzoil/Motorcraft deal: A dealership isn't required to use Motorcraft oil or fluids. Dealership's are independant business and are free to use a local oil distributor to supply them with oil in bulk quantities. 'Bulk' meaning it's delivered by a tanker truck into a bulk holding tank at the dealership. So while one dealership may do oil changes from red one quart Motorcraft bottles, another will use bulk oil from a local distributor. Pennzoil is popular with many qarages and dealerships because they specialize in serviceing that part of the market.

So whatever oil a Ford dealership is using, doesn't automaticaly make it Motorcraft. Nor does it mean that Motorcraft is or is not made by Pennzoil.

BTW: What Amsoil says about certification and licensing. That is like me saying that I am a certified driver, but I'm just not licensed! Would you take a chance and hire me to drive for you? No way, you wouldn't risk it! Why then would anyone take the same risk with their oil and void the warranty on a new vehicle?
 
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Old May 3, 2004 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by smithjd
What exactly is the "bypass oil filter"? How is it installed?
Basically, a small amount of oil is "bypassed" from the usual oil path and "super filtered", and then returned to the oil system. This "super filtered" oil will then mix with the regular oil and dilute any contaminants that "normal" filtering would not remove.This process is happening anytime the engine is running and it removes much smaller particles/contaminants than a normal filter can.
I haven't done it yet, but considering..... Again, could be cheap insurance if you plan to keep your truck for the 300kmi that the engine is supposed to be able to do....
Hope this helps!!

Blake
 
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