PSD vs Cummins
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"why does it MATTER which one is better??"
Well Hoss, over in the Dodge group, you're on record as claiming you like the Ford body better than the Dodge - and even said a Ford body with a Cummins engine would be YOUR choice - and HERE, you are now saying it doesn't matter?
Which is it? If YOU didn't buy a Dodge for what YOU considered a better engine, then why DID you buy one?
Once you get THAT figured out, maybe you will ALSO figure out WHY it "matters"...
Well Hoss, over in the Dodge group, you're on record as claiming you like the Ford body better than the Dodge - and even said a Ford body with a Cummins engine would be YOUR choice - and HERE, you are now saying it doesn't matter?
Which is it? If YOU didn't buy a Dodge for what YOU considered a better engine, then why DID you buy one?
Once you get THAT figured out, maybe you will ALSO figure out WHY it "matters"...
Last edited by Gary - KJ6Q; Jun 12, 2003 at 05:27 PM.
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Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q
"why does it MATTER which one is better??"
Well Hoss, over in the Dodge group, you're on record as claiming you like the Ford body better than the Dodge - and even said a Ford body with a Cummins engine would be YOUR choice - and HERE, you are now saying it doesn't matter?
Which is it? If YOU didn't buy a Dodge for what YOU considered a better engine, then why DID you buy one?
Once you get THAT figured out, maybe you will ALSO figure out WHY it "matters"...
"why does it MATTER which one is better??"
Well Hoss, over in the Dodge group, you're on record as claiming you like the Ford body better than the Dodge - and even said a Ford body with a Cummins engine would be YOUR choice - and HERE, you are now saying it doesn't matter?
Which is it? If YOU didn't buy a Dodge for what YOU considered a better engine, then why DID you buy one?
Once you get THAT figured out, maybe you will ALSO figure out WHY it "matters"...
Had you read the rest of my post above, you would have seen that my point was...and continues to be...that if I'm happy with my truck and you're happy with your truck then why does it matter which is better...or why does it matter what everybody else thinks? If you like your truck, keep it. If you like something else better and can afford it, get it. It's really pretty simple....even for a dumb Aggie like me.
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I agree !!!! I own a 99 ram cummins w/90k on her and had tranny work done once around 60k. I would love to own another ford right now but i'm tickled over the cummins. Ford makes a better truck but til they make a better diesel, i'll have to suffer with my dodge. I'm waiting til Ford straightens out their problem on 6.0, glad you have this forum to get some insight. I would be really upset if i would have purchased another ford to find out that i was in the shop more and they can't find a fix these problems right now. Thanks again for your honest opinions and stats.
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Well Ford and International are doing everything that they can in an attempt to straighten out the 6.0L. If everyone will remember back to 94 the 7.3 had a lot of issues then too. They were all straightened out and everyone loved those engines, the same will happen with the 6.0.
As for who is better Cummins I-6 or International V-8, well lets look what these engines were designed for. The international is a designed to work primarily in the F-250 and F-350 as well as the school buses, that is why the Ford has such a power advantage. However in the School buses it makes less power and more torque at lower rpms than compared to the Ford aplication. If you compare the numbers of the 6.0 and the 5.9 on both internationals websites and cummins you see that the engines are very similar.
On one final note Cummins almost lost the diesel contract for Dodge. I think that speaks something of what Daimler-Chrysler was thinking about Cummins. Yep you dodge boys almost got a Mercedes-Benz engine, for better or worse but it almost happened.
As for who is better Cummins I-6 or International V-8, well lets look what these engines were designed for. The international is a designed to work primarily in the F-250 and F-350 as well as the school buses, that is why the Ford has such a power advantage. However in the School buses it makes less power and more torque at lower rpms than compared to the Ford aplication. If you compare the numbers of the 6.0 and the 5.9 on both internationals websites and cummins you see that the engines are very similar.
On one final note Cummins almost lost the diesel contract for Dodge. I think that speaks something of what Daimler-Chrysler was thinking about Cummins. Yep you dodge boys almost got a Mercedes-Benz engine, for better or worse but it almost happened.
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Originally posted by Chronos_Titan
On one final note Cummins almost lost the diesel contract for Dodge. I think that speaks something of what Daimler-Chrysler was thinking about Cummins.
On one final note Cummins almost lost the diesel contract for Dodge. I think that speaks something of what Daimler-Chrysler was thinking about Cummins.
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When the Germans first bought chrysler they said they were going to put in one of thier European engines. Most of you guys seem to forget about emissions. Mercedes believed that Cummins could not make emissions and that they were too low on Horsepower.
I dont have any articles or announcement because this was several years ago. This is also why the Cummins got that recent huge horsepower increase, and got quieter.
I dont have any articles or announcement because this was several years ago. This is also why the Cummins got that recent huge horsepower increase, and got quieter.
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Horsepower and Torque
Engine Type
Advertised hp
Torque
High Output (HO) 305 hp @ 2900 rpm 555 lb-ft torque @ 1400 rpm
Standard Output (SO) 250 hp @ 2900 rpm 450 lb-ft torque @ 1400 rpm
California Engine (and MA, ME) 235 hp @ 2700 rpm 460 lb-ft torque @ 1400 rpm
This was the chart from the Cummins webpage. The international makes its 325 hp no matter where it is sold.
Here is the page.
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/p...diesel.cfm#top
Engine Type
Advertised hp
Torque
High Output (HO) 305 hp @ 2900 rpm 555 lb-ft torque @ 1400 rpm
Standard Output (SO) 250 hp @ 2900 rpm 450 lb-ft torque @ 1400 rpm
California Engine (and MA, ME) 235 hp @ 2700 rpm 460 lb-ft torque @ 1400 rpm
This was the chart from the Cummins webpage. The international makes its 325 hp no matter where it is sold.
Here is the page.
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/p...diesel.cfm#top
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Originally posted by johnsdiesel
. And as for durability, something like 98% of all Power Strokes ever produced are still on the road. That's reliability!
. And as for durability, something like 98% of all Power Strokes ever produced are still on the road. That's reliability!
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theres a guy in my town has a 1995 dodge 2500 regular cab long box 4x4 cummins diesel, hes a farmer and sense he bought the truck new it has pulled big wagons to town evey fall and tractors and anything else u can think of and the truck has 156,000 miles and the first transmition is finally starting to slip a little bit, im a ford man all the way and i have only heard good things about the ford powerstroke 7.3 turbo diesel and there are several in my small home town
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It NEVER pays to blow too loud or too hard about the "superiority" of your favorite brand - or the NEXT view you see just MIGHT be of YOUR truck like THIS - 60,000 miles, and a blown $3200 tranny...
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/u...=4402&width=2"
This is my Ford lovin', Dodge hating RVing buddy, who was gonna show ME how superior his PS was to my Dodge in pulling our RV's up along the Oregon coast last year - *I* ended up pulling BOTH our fifth wheels into Florence, where we sat waiting for his new tranny to be installed...
He's LOTS calmer about discussing the excellence and "superiority" of his Ford lately...
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/u...=4402&width=2"
This is my Ford lovin', Dodge hating RVing buddy, who was gonna show ME how superior his PS was to my Dodge in pulling our RV's up along the Oregon coast last year - *I* ended up pulling BOTH our fifth wheels into Florence, where we sat waiting for his new tranny to be installed...
He's LOTS calmer about discussing the excellence and "superiority" of his Ford lately...
Last edited by Gary - KJ6Q; Jul 6, 2003 at 02:53 PM.