Go to thread "Best Diesel Truck Article by Four Wheeler Magazine" to seel how the Cummins stacks up against the 6.0L in real world pulling situations.
Greg

 

Yeah...WITH an automatic tranny. We all know Dodge automatic trannys are junk. I'd like to see them do that test over again and use 6-speed manuals to really take advantage of brute pulling down low. I think the results would be a little different then.

 

I don't think we know how the second test would turn out but after reading some of your earlier posts would you be willing to have to eat crow for the second time?
Greg

 

pickuptruck.com did a test with both autos and manual transmissions and the Dodge still lost!

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stor...out/page1.html

Let's face it, these tests are "real world" applications. The numbers from the factory don't mean much, but how well it pulls up a hill does. How do you explain that FAY?

 

All the diesels are pretty good, a friend of mine with a tow truck company has over 500,000 miles on 7.3's and he runs the snot out of them. A friend of mine does truck pulling, he had a 97 f-350 with a 7.3 psd, it was decent, but could not get close to the cummins he has now in his dodge. He uses the older 12 valve motor, and has it putting out 600 horsepower with 60 psi of boost. He runs an extra fuel pump, has a 4000 rpm kit also. He does pretty good with it. And it smokes bad enough to need dual 6 inch stacks. The dodge is alot better for making big power. I have a continental engine my my 2 1/2 ton army 6x6, my top rpm is 2300, I have about 150 hp, but lots of torque, I can pull anything just cant go over 50 mph. They are all good motors. Just wish ford would put the cummins in their trucks.

 

why would ford lower their standards by putting an underpowered deisel in their trucks!!!!!! i would agree that the cummins is a very durable engine and can produce good power but it just CANT out pull or outrun the powerstroke!!!! If ford put a cummins in their trucks than they would be lowering their standards. It just seems like dodge owners are in a state of denial. ACCEPT IT, LIVE WITH IT , OPEN YOUR EYES. YOUR TRUCK WILL NOT, OUT DO A POWERSTROKE. AND IF YOU YOUR A DURAMAX OWNER (((((((BURN IT!!!!!!!)))))))) CAUSE ITS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

I will give you stock HP just to not start a different argument. But a CUmmins will get more HP than a PSD. Just look at Muncie. the trucks that won every pull were Cummins powered dodges. O nad for The Durmax being junk....It came in second and Ford brounght up the rear. I never thought the d-max had it in it but it did.

 

i dont know what comparisons you go by, i know i dont look at the factory advertised hp and tq numbers because when it comes to those numbers it doesnt matter wich manufacturer puts them out they are usually inaccurate. i go by real world comparisons. like the ones done by fourwheeler, and petersens 4wheel and off road and pickuptruck.com. they dont go by what the dyno says hence the name real world!!!!!!!!!! any good performance mechanic will tell you that just because an engine or truck produces good numbers on a dyno that it doesnt necesarily mean that it will perform in REAL WORLD SITUATIONS! and as for muncie who cares!!!!!!!! its all about how much money you have to build with, just like in NASCAR. do you ever see the small unknown teams with tight budgets winning races on a regular basis?? no, i dont think so. maybe one will win every now and then but on average it is the teams with the most money who win regularly. and now that i really think about it that also applies to drag racing. off road racing and every other type of racing. BTW isnt this the FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIASTS web site. cause i thought thats what it said when i came here but maybe i was mistaken. look im sure your "goat, ram, sheep, whatever!!!" is niceim glad your happy with it but why do you have to get your rocks off coming to the FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIASTS web site spouting off about how great it is. if goats are so great im sure they have a website for people just like you, so why dont you go there and leave this romm for actual FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIASTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! baaaaaah, baaaaahhhh

 

Well I dod not know all Ford owners were Poor. Is that what you just said If I wanted real world Numbers I woud go to each site and see how the people like the trucks. I'm not going to let a few groups of people with big names tell me what truck is best because the used them for a mounth or so. I plan on keeping my truck 10 more years.

I have said it a million times. I came hear first because I was haveing problems with my 69 ford dumptruck. Saw all the rumors and missinformation out there about all makes of trucks and decided I should stay. I do get a kick out of guys like you who go off the wall and start being cry babbies. Its funny. How old are you?

 

well dodge man. contrary to you saying im flying off the wall and being a cry baby im quite calm and relaxed and no matter what petty insults you throw at me is no matter of concern to me. i am 28 years old and ive worked on fords dodges and chevies all the same.ive seen ford really make some junk in my day, as well as the others. so its not as if i see ford as the only good vehicle out there. every vehicle out there regardless of manufacturer has its strengths and weaknesses. If i said that there were no problems with the new power stroke 6.0 then i would be telling a lie. what can one say they rushed production and had some problems.of course when dodge came with the newer design in hmmm, i honestly dont remember what year they came out, anyway the dodge transmissions were less than reliable, i have seen lots of problems with them. As for "guys like me" YOU DO NOT KNOW ME, YOU HAVE NEVER MET ME SO YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE TO CALL ME A CRY BABY. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME. I AM A FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIAST. IF I WERE A GOAT ENTHUSIAST I WOULD BE AT A GOAT TRUCK WEBSITE. IF I LIKED LITTLE BOW TIES I WOULD BE AT A BOWTIE WEBSITE.BUT IM NOT SO HERE I AM. IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL ME ANYTHING THEN IT IS TO CALL ME A FORD LOVER

 

I find it interesting that there are so many Dodge lovers posting so prolifically on this website. A few of them post only on the Cummins vs. Power Stroke topic.

 

I post on what ever peake my interest. I have posted under v10 forums and many others. Yes I post on the Powerstroke forum a lot because it seems to be the one that moves the most. Some topics don't have a new post for days.

I too have worked/owned on many different makes of cars.trucks. I know the dodge trannies from 94-02 were junk. I have replaced a few but only on trucks that were not stock or had over 100k miles on them. I also know that the auto tranny in the 92 f250 my friend has was not the best because on a stock truck that never seen a load it went out at 86k miles. My 96 stroker 5spd went bad but not out at 10k. To get it into gear you had to turn off the engine and put it into gear then start it. A long with the turbo bolts coming lose and doing some damage to the turbo. I had the front right locking hub come apart pulling my tractor out the month before I sold it to my friend and bout my 94 Dodge. they were the same truck but the 96 was a SRW f350 reg cab 5spd. I have had to work on trucks at work where we have 4 v10s and every one runs different. One has plenty of power and so far nothing is wrong with it. All the rest have had either bad MPG and one has bad MPG and no power yet Ford says it checks out. 3 of the 4 have needed a new alternator under 50k miles one lost a tranny. yes every maker has something that is junk. But the difference between this site and the other sites I'm on people here seem to tell you that you don't have a problem even if you do. Lets just drop our little fude that we both have been a part in and return to the topic what ever it was that started this thread.
God bless

 

well i'm a ford owner and after buying this truck i'm poor now! ha ha.
most of what i see in this powerstroke vs. cummins debate in all of those type threads is the my dad could beat up your dad type crap. this is childish, not to mention rediculous.
there is a big difference between being brand loyal and being ignorant or blind to the competitions strengths.
now i'm a ford man all the way but i know that the cummins has got us beat if you want to talk "low" rpm torque. anyone who wants to argue that please see above sentence. the cummins also has a well deserved rep for longevity. since it was designed as a medium duty engine it is also very strongly built. any ford owner who wants to argue about which is best should already know these things or they have no business in that arguement.
now all of these things may make the cummins a great diesel engine (which it is) but they don't necessarily make it the best engine for a pickup.
i just finished reading the articles about the diesel truck shootouts that were provided in this thread and they confirm what i already believed. a slightly higher torque curve and a higher reving engine will out perform the opposite, even when pulling a load. i know the cummins will start a heavy load easier and accelerate faster from an idle with that load but unless you drive all over at 25mph that doesn't make it better.
the longevity issue is also no big deal. a cummins will probably outlast a powerstroke but for every cummins you find with 500,000 miles i could find a powerstroke with just as many. bottom line is that both motors will most likely outlast the trucks that they are in or at least the trannies they're bolted to so i don't see that as a valid arguement. everyone knows that the cummins is built stronger than the powerstroke(or at least they should) but i don't recall ever hearing of powerstrokes breaking blocks, crankshafts, rods etc. as a result of pulling heavy loads so once again, not a valid arguement.
since i know DMAN01 ( i have a lot of respect for the way you make your posts civilized and not so attacking) is reading i will also say this. the cummins is able to be modified to higher extremes without breaking. you can get some serious, i mean SERIOUS power out of those things without doing internal work. i have a good friend that runs mid 12s with a quad-cab long bed 4x4 6-speed at gateway int. in ST. Louis. THAT'S JUST PLAIN BAD. this is a by-product of what it was designed for, not because it is a better engine for a light duty truck.

as far as fuel mileage goes i don't want to hear it. for every man that claims 22mpg i can show you 10 who get 16-17 and have it documented. that goes for ford chevy and dodge.

the powerstroke drives like a gas engine but with all the benifits of a diesel. all these things combined make the powerstroke a better engine for a light duty truck. unless you bought that truck to modify to 600+ hp and drag race it.

 

I can see that on the 99 older moters because they defueled around 2500rpms but the 00 newer motors defueld around 3k and reved to 4k. I think thats one reason a Cummins lasts longer that a higher reveing PSD. the bigger the piston the harder it is to turnaround andd push back the other way. the faster you rev the hevier the forces. Now My truck is modded to push to 4500rpms before defueling and when I get my Valves re done I will be pushing 5k before defueling. This is not good for the motor but when Sled pulling they turn 8k and you need the higher rps to get you going faster.

 

well dodge man, i will agree and maybe my previous posts did come off a little aggresive. and for that i would like to appologize. And please understand that i am a ford man but i also appreciate and recognize that other companies have made some really exceptional vehicles. and on that note i would like to say that my girlfriends parents are dodge owners and that i have ridden in and driven both their vehicles, one is i belive a 99 dakota 4x4 with 318 and the other is 01 ram2500 with cummins turbo deisel. the dakota is a great riding truck, it seems reliable. it has decent power but not as much as i thought it would from the 318. the 4x4 front isnt something that could take much off roading abuse but neither is any independent 4x4 front ends from any company! but it seems great on the road.the 2500 has good power and is very sturdy truck.ive only driven it once so i cant speak much on it other than that. oh yeah it is very loud!!!! but then again i like them loud so that aint a problem to me. also my good friend is a tech at ford and yes there were some major problems popping up. most of them have been addresed and are taken care of as far as the ones being built now. the ones that were built awhile back( as i am not sure of the exact dates) some of them seem to be un fixable while some have been repaired and are fine. he admited to me that ford rushed the production of the 6.0 too try to keep up with the competitors and really shot themselves in the a$#. man they tick me off sometimes.