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I think you've hit the nail on the head; 2wd is a very hard sell outside of commercial fleets; 99.99% of people that can afford and want the higher trim levels also will order 4wd.
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Been building trucks on the Ford site and I can say it really pisses me off, no DRW unless single cab XL or XLT, I can get a long box SC in a XLT but not a Lariat and they have to be 4x4. If I want a upper trim level DRW it has to be F450. My problem is our present F350 DRW 2x4 weighs 11680 full of fuel with trailer. I did price out a nice XLT with camper package but the 10000 gross is a little short.
Our present truck is in the shop with a broken valve spring so I'm hoping it will run right when I get it back and won't have to worry about a new truck or at least run good enough to get us home in April. I just hate it when someone else is working on my stuff.
Denny
Our present truck is in the shop with a broken valve spring so I'm hoping it will run right when I get it back and won't have to worry about a new truck or at least run good enough to get us home in April. I just hate it when someone else is working on my stuff.
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I didn't believe you, until I went and tried it myself/ Bizarre.
Also noticed that they don't have a Limited anymore. Period. Presumably replaced by the optional Platinum Plus? Doesn't bother me, as both require(d) the HO 6.7 which I do not want. Just seems odd, as I would think the "Limited" badge would have wide appeal. Why drop it and essentially make the same truck with a less "attractive" name - at least for those familiar with the Ford naming conventions. I wonder if they've done away with the Limited badge across the brand.
Also noticed that they don't have a Limited anymore. Period. Presumably replaced by the optional Platinum Plus? Doesn't bother me, as both require(d) the HO 6.7 which I do not want. Just seems odd, as I would think the "Limited" badge would have wide appeal. Why drop it and essentially make the same truck with a less "attractive" name - at least for those familiar with the Ford naming conventions. I wonder if they've done away with the Limited badge across the brand.
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But what I found more astonishing was that Ford doesn't make "cars" anymore. Well, the Mustang. But really - not a single family sedan, the only thing with 4 doors is a Truck or SUV. Mind boggling. I realize that trucks/SUVs are in high demand, but is there any other mainstream company that doesn't offer a 4 door sedan, or at least a "regular" coupe? Either Ford is ahead of their time or made a big misstep. Glad I don't own any Ford stock.
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So I went to the website to satisfy my curiosity. It does appear that there is no more Limited offerings.
But what I found more astonishing was that Ford doesn't make "cars" anymore. Well, the Mustang. But really - not a single family sedan, the only thing with 4 doors is a Truck or SUV. Mind boggling. I realize that trucks/SUVs are in high demand, but is there any other mainstream company that doesn't offer a 4 door sedan, or at least a "regular" coupe? Either Ford is ahead of their time or made a big misstep. Glad I don't own any Ford stock.
But what I found more astonishing was that Ford doesn't make "cars" anymore. Well, the Mustang. But really - not a single family sedan, the only thing with 4 doors is a Truck or SUV. Mind boggling. I realize that trucks/SUVs are in high demand, but is there any other mainstream company that doesn't offer a 4 door sedan, or at least a "regular" coupe? Either Ford is ahead of their time or made a big misstep. Glad I don't own any Ford stock.
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So I went to the website to satisfy my curiosity. It does appear that there is no more Limited offerings.
But what I found more astonishing was that Ford doesn't make "cars" anymore. Well, the Mustang. But really - not a single family sedan, the only thing with 4 doors is a Truck or SUV. Mind boggling. I realize that trucks/SUVs are in high demand, but is there any other mainstream company that doesn't offer a 4 door sedan, or at least a "regular" coupe? Either Ford is ahead of their time or made a big misstep. Glad I don't own any Ford stock.
But what I found more astonishing was that Ford doesn't make "cars" anymore. Well, the Mustang. But really - not a single family sedan, the only thing with 4 doors is a Truck or SUV. Mind boggling. I realize that trucks/SUVs are in high demand, but is there any other mainstream company that doesn't offer a 4 door sedan, or at least a "regular" coupe? Either Ford is ahead of their time or made a big misstep. Glad I don't own any Ford stock.
Buyers don't want sedans just like they don't want mini vans. They both are seen as boring vehicles. On the other hand, SUVs are exciting, go anywhere vehicles. The 4 door small and mid-size SUVs have replaced the family sedan. Today's small to mid-size SUVs are really just yesterday's hatchbacks except with a little more ground clearance and AWD.
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Laughing Gas
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From: SE Vermont, South Jersey
And that doesn't count the myriad Mercedes, BMW, Fiat, Mini, Kia, Hyundai, Subaru(!!!), etc, etc.
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Toyota offers the Corolla as a sedan and hatch back. There is no Corolla "Coupe". There is also the Camry.
Honda still sells the civic and Accord.
Subaru still offers Impreza and WRX
Mazda has the Mazda 3.
Volkswagen still sells the Jetta.
Ford f'ed up the DCT in the Focus and Fiesta, but instead of admit fault and getting it to work right, they killed the two models altogether and said no one wants small cars any more. Then they killed the Fusion when people who bought them clearly liked it. This is on Ford, not on the market as a whole.
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Where do you live? Granted, US mfrs have mostly given up, but lots of foreign companies still see the usefulness of sedans here in the USA, including ones you said were extinct - "Honda doesn't"?!! They have 3 basic models with a total of 8 variants! Toyota has 5 if you don't count variants.
I went to the manufacturer's web site and hit the vehicle drop down list. For Toyota, finger scrolling the page did not bring up the other models. I found I had to use the scroll bar. For Honda, the initial page ended with blank space and I thought what was showing was the end. Scrolling the page brought the others to view. Good lesson on being more careful instead of being in a hurry. The lack of sedans is definitely an American manufacturer thing.
BTW, I don't consider any of the Dodge's you show as a 4-door family sedan.
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Put down whatever you are smoking or drinking because it is clearly impairing your ability to use the internet.
Toyota offers the Corolla as a sedan and hatch back. There is no Corolla "Coupe". There is also the Camry.
Honda still sells the civic and Accord.
Subaru still offers Impreza and WRX
Mazda has the Mazda 3.
Volkswagen still sells the Jetta.
Ford f'ed up the DCT in the Focus and Fiesta, but instead of admit fault and getting it to work right, they killed the two models altogether and said no one wants small cars any more. Then they killed the Fusion when people who bought them clearly liked it. This is on Ford, not on the market as a whole.
Toyota offers the Corolla as a sedan and hatch back. There is no Corolla "Coupe". There is also the Camry.
Honda still sells the civic and Accord.
Subaru still offers Impreza and WRX
Mazda has the Mazda 3.
Volkswagen still sells the Jetta.
Ford f'ed up the DCT in the Focus and Fiesta, but instead of admit fault and getting it to work right, they killed the two models altogether and said no one wants small cars any more. Then they killed the Fusion when people who bought them clearly liked it. This is on Ford, not on the market as a whole.
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I didn't look at the specs. A few years ago you could get a 4-door Charger (they didn't even offer a 2-door then) with a basic 2.7L V-6, starting in the low $20s.
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I couldn't even imagine buying a truck and only needing 2 wheel drive. Boat launch, towing on slippery slopes, snowy and icy roads, mud, off road, etc.
But if none of these conditions are in your wheelhouse I get it.
But if none of these conditions are in your wheelhouse I get it.
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...and probably MORE than needed for more than 75% of 4WF purchases...