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I searched through the threads, didn't find one directly related to question. If there is, let me know and I'l move and delete this one.
Looking at the wide arrary of OEM replacement Air to Water Intercooler.
Don't have a direct "need", more of a desire without justification.
That said, I've been looking at the various Intercooler options.
PPE, No LImit, Mishimoto, SPE to list a few of the major players.
The SPE states a unique type of core that works better in normal ambient air.
No Limit & PPE seem to use similar core.
I agree with the fundamentals: you have to have pressure drop and a amount of physical time to cool the air.
As flow is greatly increased, this normally indicates physical time to cool (absorb heat) from Charged Air is reduced.
It's suggested that OEM IC probably cools the best, but also the more restrictive
SPE states it approaches OEM IC Cold side Temps, much better flow throughput and not as much pressure drop.
I've leaned toward No Limit, although some posts indicate both No Limit and PPE sharply decline in any gains as temps increase.
There's a significant price difference for the SPE vs other brands... essentially double.
Any of you played with the 3rd Party Intercoolers?
The forum search option here is fairly poor at returning relevant results, that I have discovered.
I typically use a web browser search engine and utilize the "site:ford-trucks.com" switch to filter results specifically for this site. Using DuckDuckGo with the search term "aftermarket intercooler 6.7L site:ford-trucks.com" returned a lot of links.
An aftermarket CAC is on my long wish list. While Mishimoto is an improvement over the stock CAC ("cooler"), I like PPEs cooler. SPEs looks like its at top of the pack but I'm not building a pulling truck and it appears PPEs is not far behind SPEs cooler plus you get a set of CAC pipes with it because on their cooler, the bottom male hose connection is at an angle, unlike the factory and other coolers. Plus it's $1k less than SPEs...
They have the correct hose coupler for their cooler. .
This will be the one I go with when its time to buy one.
The forum search option here is fairly poor at returning relevant results, that I have discovered.
I typically use a web browser search engine and utilize the "site:ford-trucks.com" switch to filter results specifically for this site. Using DuckDuckGo with the search term "aftermarket intercooler 6.7L site:ford-trucks.com" returned a lot of links.
@F250_Super_4X4
Made a comment to your old May 2024 post in older thread...
Copied it over to keep discussion from a leap frog mode.
Re: SPE Intercooler
Quote:
Originally Posted by F250_Super_4X4
ACK this is an old thread.... Have the SPE Intercooler on my 2015 Ford F250 KR.
Comes with AN12 fittings top and bottom for coolant inlet outlet, also comes with preformed hoses.
I have not noticed any lowering of CAC temp and perhaps a slight rise
I have noticed more torque, louder turbo sound and better throttle response.
It is heavy and built like a tank, and is a tight squeeze. They utilized every bit of space available.
Reopening the old thread...
I did view their videos... he did that they were a few degrees higher in cold temp, also much more pressure due to less pressure differential.
You torque and throttle response verify that claim... do you feel you're getting a 25 hp and 100 lb ft increase?
Great to hear you've had a SPE installed for awhile....
Any updated thoughts or comments on the SPE?
They claim much lower EGT's... up to 200F.
Do you notice EGT's on the climbs much lower?
An aftermarket CAC is on my long wish list. While Mishimoto is an improvement over the stock CAC ("cooler"), I like PPEs cooler. SPEs looks like its at top of the pack but I'm not building a pulling truck and it appears PPEs is not far behind SPEs cooler plus you get a set of CAC pipes with it because on their cooler, the bottom male hose connection is at an angle, unlike the factory and other coolers. Plus it's $1k less than SPEs...
They have the correct hose coupler for their cooler. .
This will be the one I go with when its time to buy one.
I have watched / read on the PPE, the PPE seems to have obtained the highest YouTube advertising, many YouTubers have highlighted it.
It's definitely best bang for buck with the charge pipes included. I did communicate with NoLimit and they indicated the PPE was a copy cat of their IC.
No Limit and PPE appear to advertise the same "core" type, whereas SPE indicates a core designed for maximum efficiency for ambient air temps.
I'd like to see better data on all of them vs their own claim statements... that's doubtful.
All my truck items are kinda of a Johnny Cash "One piece at a time" as budget (and Wife) allow. I've already acquired the Pusher Intake, Charge Pipes, and Upper Rad Pipe. All sitting in garage until I add a few more items... one being the Intercooler.
Appearance, the SPE is extremely nice, and construction sounds to be top notch... justifying the cost, but it does have a cost compared to NoLimit & PPE.
The SPE has been the only one to openly state, Cold Air will be slightly (1-4 F) higher than stock. To increase flow, physically shortening time to exchange does equate a higher temp. With larger volume, a lot of higher temp variance can be negated, but it'll still be equal or above. Increased Flow rate and pressure difference provide throttle feel and performance. My communication with all three and a few vendor shops; I get the feeling SPE is more accurate on their claims.
I'm always interested how PPE and other Brands gets a lot of YouTube coverage and SPE is minimal, but produces quality designs and products.
As you and others have stated... do you need SPE design or PSI pressures for street... probably not but it's nice product.
I had hoped to see a few more SPE IC's show up on YouTube, but most are probably like me in that YouTube isn't my thang.
I have watched / read on the PPE, the PPE seems to have obtained the highest YouTube advertising, many YouTubers have highlighted it.
It's definitely best bang for buck with the charge pipes included. I did communicate with NoLimit and they indicated the PPE was a copy cat of their IC.
No Limit and PPE appear to advertise the same "core" type, whereas SPE indicates a core designed for maximum efficiency for ambient air temps.
I'd like to see better data on all of them vs their own claim statements... that's doubtful.
All my truck items are kinda of a Johnny Cash "One piece at a time" as budget (and Wife) allow. I've already acquired the Pusher Intake, Charge Pipes, and Upper Rad Pipe. All sitting in garage until I add a few more items... one being the Intercooler.
Appearance, the SPE is extremely nice, and construction sounds to be top notch... justifying the cost, but it does have a cost compared to NoLimit & PPE.
The SPE has been the only one to openly state, Cold Air will be slightly (1-4 F) higher than stock. To increase flow, physically shortening time to exchange does equate a higher temp. With larger volume, a lot of higher temp variance can be negated, but it'll still be equal or above. Increased Flow rate and pressure difference provide throttle feel and performance. My communication with all three and a few vendor shops; I get the feeling SPE is more accurate on their claims.
I'm always interested how PPE and other Brands gets a lot of YouTube coverage and SPE is minimal, but produces quality designs and products.
As you and others have stated... do you need SPE design or PSI pressures for street... probably not but it's nice product.
I had hoped to see a few more SPE IC's show up on YouTube, but most are probably like me in that YouTube isn't my thang.
Great comment. While I state that now, going with PPE, that could change... because I now am thinking of going in a different direction when it comes to a bigger tank with a aftermarket fuel pump but I digress...
I also want to update my Rudy's CAC cold pipe at one point for a possible methanol injection install but do want a SPE intake manifold for sure...
I would water methanol injection before I replace my intercooler.
Not even close to messing with that Fritz...
Want to do a Titan 50 gal tank first... but next thing up is that OC25 centrifugal bypass filter install first to get that FS2500 off the frame to free up that space on the frame.
Was going to install my previously purchased Air Dog 4G pump to feed my DFCM but... looking at possibly going in a different direction...
Want to do a Titan 50 gal tank first... but next thing up is that OC25 centrifugal bypass filter install first to get that FS2500 off the frame to free up that space on the frame.
Was going to install my previously purchased Air Dog 4G pump to feed my DFCM but... looking at possibly going in a different direction...
Its one of the newer models meant to replace the DFCM so probably in the 65 to 70 PSI... but talked to them about setting it at 10 PSI like the original units were set at to feed the DFCM and they sent me the 10 PSI spring free of charge. Was going to install an inline pressure gauge to set it... but now I am looking at another option and will most likely shelf the Air Dog and parts I bought...
I have watched / read on the PPE, the PPE seems to have obtained the highest YouTube advertising, many YouTubers have highlighted it.
It's definitely best bang for buck with the charge pipes included. I did communicate with NoLimit and they indicated the PPE was a copy cat of their IC.
No Limit and PPE appear to advertise the same "core" type, whereas SPE indicates a core designed for maximum efficiency for ambient air temps.
I'd like to see better data on all of them vs their own claim statements... that's doubtful.
All my truck items are kinda of a Johnny Cash "One piece at a time" as budget (and Wife) allow. I've already acquired the Pusher Intake, Charge Pipes, and Upper Rad Pipe. All sitting in garage until I add a few more items... one being the Intercooler.
Appearance, the SPE is extremely nice, and construction sounds to be top notch... justifying the cost, but it does have a cost compared to NoLimit & PPE.
The SPE has been the only one to openly state, Cold Air will be slightly (1-4 F) higher than stock. To increase flow, physically shortening time to exchange does equate a higher temp. With larger volume, a lot of higher temp variance can be negated, but it'll still be equal or above. Increased Flow rate and pressure difference provide throttle feel and performance. My communication with all three and a few vendor shops; I get the feeling SPE is more accurate on their claims.
I'm always interested how PPE and other Brands gets a lot of YouTube coverage and SPE is minimal, but produces quality designs and products.
As you and others have stated... do you need SPE design or PSI pressures for street... probably not but it's nice product.
I had hoped to see a few more SPE IC's show up on YouTube, but most are probably like me in that YouTube isn't my thang.
I have been running the SPE intercooler for awhile and am very happy with it. I am deleted so dont monitor EGT temps much but I do watch air temps. I regularly see 5f-10f less air temps than secondary coolant temps from the output of the intercooler. I have handled a PPE intercooler and the difference is very apparent when handling the SPE. The quality and craftsmanship of the SPE is above and beyond the PPE in nearly every way. I changed my OEM intercooler due to a leak of the core in the OEM one.
I have been running the SPE intercooler for awhile and am very happy with it. I am deleted so dont monitor EGT temps much but I do watch air temps. I regularly see 5f-10f less air temps than secondary coolant temps from the output of the intercooler. I have handled a PPE intercooler and the difference is very apparent when handling the SPE. The quality and craftsmanship of the SPE is above and beyond the PPE in nearly every way. I changed my OEM intercooler due to a leak of the core in the OEM one.
Thanks for comments… was hoping as an SPE IC Owner you add a few comments.
The Cold Air Temp you monitor, is that an added temp probe or the CAC temp available from ECM monitors (iDash, etc). That is very good temp!
Do you notice the Boost, if different at same speeds? SPE mentioned it’d has more boost due to better flow and lower pressure differential drop.
Even though your deleted, can you tell if you get more turbo sound through the IC now?
Also your comparison comments with PPE help validate what I assumed watching the videos. The SPE appears heavier and more robust in design. The PPE is similar to NoLimit by their own comments about being copied.
Knowing what you know now, If you did over; would you accept a lower cost and little less value from PPE or NoLimit or still go with SPE?
I have been running the SPE intercooler for awhile and am very happy with it. I am deleted so dont monitor EGT temps much but I do watch air temps. I regularly see 5f-10f less air temps than secondary coolant temps from the output of the intercooler. I have handled a PPE intercooler and the difference is very apparent when handling the SPE. The quality and craftsmanship of the SPE is above and beyond the PPE in nearly every way. I changed my OEM intercooler due to a leak of the core in the OEM one.
Man... I like spending money on my truck soooo....
Man... I like spending money on my truck soooo....
Ha! Chuckling... can relate, enjoy mods and tweaks... even entertaining "pretties"...
Approaching 70 and retirement, my self-justificaiton is to get what I "need / want" while working.
It's an equilibrium of "Need vs Want" and which one wins the internal debate... then Wife Justification story.
