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Old Apr 29, 2025 | 04:57 PM
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ICP and IPR readings can be viewed with key on engine off?
 
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ICP and IPR readings can be viewed with key on engine off?
Has to be cranking before they tell you anything worth while. The hpop doesn't put out and pressure unless it's spinning.
 
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will pull readings when I get home tonight from work
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Old Apr 29, 2025 | 05:44 PM
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Don't bother with ICP PSI as a diagnostic tool. Monitor ICP volts. KOEO should be around 0.24v and should climb while cranking. At 0.86 or so volts, the engine *should* start
 
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ICP reading .22 koeo and .23 while cranking motor, no start.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2025 | 01:15 PM
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Isn't making any high pressure oil. The way you said it just died while driving would make me suspect the ipr valve. I've had a couple fail over 10 years and die going down the road but would eventually restart after it cooled off.

Next thing I would do is check the ipr valve wiring at the pigtail make sure it looks good and make the the tin nut and magnet part and spacer are still on the ipr valve and haven't fell off. It's common for them to fall off.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2025 | 01:30 PM
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Isn't making any high pressure oil. The way you said it just died while driving would make me suspect the ipr valve. I've had a couple fail over 10 years and die going down the road but would eventually restart after it cooled off.

Next thing I would do is check the ipr valve wiring at the pigtail make sure it looks good and make the the tin nut and magnet part and spacer are still on the ipr valve and haven't fell off. It's common for them to fall off.
ICP should read .84 volts min while cranking motor?
 

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Old Apr 30, 2025 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by robjs111
ICP should read .84 volts min while cranking motor?
Should be 500+ psi before it will fire the injector. Not sure what that corralates to in voltage from the sensor. But a properly operating system will make 1500+ psi pretty easily while cranking.
 
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I don't remember has unplugging the ICP been tried yet? Another thing to check is if the hpop got air locked during one of the empty reservoir cranking sessions. If you pull the ICP or a high pressure hose, whatever is most convenient, and check for a steady dribble of oil and no air bubbles the the pump is primed. If you do see air just leave it vented until it becomes a steady stream of oil. Shouldn't take a minute at most. Oh make sure the reservoir is full if you do.
 
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unplugged icp and no start.
 
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No, unplugging the ICP sensor won't help if there's not sufficient pressure. I disagree on the bad IPR theory because usually a bad IPR valve will still give you a couple hundred PSI cranking. So that would be somewhere around 0.5 volts or so. Is the reservoir still not filling up? Has the HPOP been off the engine lately?
 
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No, unplugging the ICP sensor won't help if there's not sufficient pressure. I disagree on the bad IPR theory because usually a bad IPR valve will still give you a couple hundred PSI cranking. So that would be somewhere around 0.5 volts or so. Is the reservoir still not filling up? Has the HPOP been off the engine lately?
hpop res is good, no issues there. Still working on no start. I believe icp needs .86 bolts while cranking to start, will measure icp psi later tonight. Can the low bolt icp be the non start issue?
 
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IPR is reading 64.84 which is good.
 
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hpop res is good, no issues there. Still working on no start. I believe icp needs .86 bolts while cranking to start, will measure icp psi later tonight. Can the low bolt icp be the non start issue?
It's not really a voltage issue. The sensor works by reporting a voltage change to the pcm and that's how the pcm knows what the pressure is. No actual pressure and the voltage from sensor doesn't go up.
 
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IPR is reading 64.84 which is good.
That's means pcm is commanding fully closed on the ipr valve trying to get it to build icp pressure and it isn't. Under normal circumstances it will not be that high cranking.
 
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