Front coil spring question
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Front coil spring question
I have a 69 F100 with a 360/C6. My 360 needs a rebuild and I have decided to pull it and store it away. I am going to install a 460/A4OD combo. I am going to run an aluminum intake but the heads for now will remain cast iron. I would imagine I am going to have to upgrade the front coils. Is it maybe as easy as just installing F250 coils? Or has someone does this exact combo and remembers what coils they switched to for the original ride?
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I don't think you will have to change springs there isn't a lot of difference in the weight of an FE and a 460. I've never weighed an FE but I have weighted a 429CJ with no accessories just cast-iron intake and water pump and it weighed 640 lbs. I bet that FE isn't far off from that.
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Oh good point. Seems kind of obvious now that you point it out. Rather than put the springs on the plan ahead list. I think I will just measure up to the wheel well before and after to see if there is any change.
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I think the 360 might weigh a touch more than the 460... if google is to be believed, the 460 is 630 and the 360 fe is 775.
a little tangential, but i just put the cc808 moog springs on my 67 f100. i don't have much time on them and i did just replace all of the bushings and shocks, but they feel like quite a cheap upgrade over the 57 year old ones i had in there. they are physically shorter sitting outside of the truck, but kept the same ride height installed... maybe that's because they sell these are variable rate springs and the coils are tighter towards the upper side of the spring.
a little tangential, but i just put the cc808 moog springs on my 67 f100. i don't have much time on them and i did just replace all of the bushings and shocks, but they feel like quite a cheap upgrade over the 57 year old ones i had in there. they are physically shorter sitting outside of the truck, but kept the same ride height installed... maybe that's because they sell these are variable rate springs and the coils are tighter towards the upper side of the spring.
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It depends where google takes you. I found this on two sites -
Ford FE big block 650 (332-428 CID)
Ford FE big block 670 ('59 352 CID)
Ford FE 625
Ford 427 SOHC 680
Ford 429/460 V8 640
Ford 429-460 720
The FE intake is heavy but the heads are a lot lighter. Even if the 460 is 100 pounds heavier it won't over-tax the FE springs. Stand on the front bumper to see how much it drops - probably not much.
Ford FE big block 650 (332-428 CID)
Ford FE big block 670 ('59 352 CID)
Ford FE 625
Ford 427 SOHC 680
Ford 429/460 V8 640
Ford 429-460 720
The FE intake is heavy but the heads are a lot lighter. Even if the 460 is 100 pounds heavier it won't over-tax the FE springs. Stand on the front bumper to see how much it drops - probably not much.
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Stand on the front bumper!? Well that takes the cake for the simplest thing in the world I had not thought of. I will try that out tonight. But it looks like there is not enough difference either way to be a big deal. I am also going to run an aluminum intake on the 460. But I already have one on the 360. I think in the end I may have over thought this a bit. Which would be my normal operating parameters.
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Depending on how old your current springs are, new stock springs may provide some lift. My original coil springs let my F250 rub the fenders making turns. New stock springs fixed that.
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Well so far I think everything is good. Stock everything including the tires. Truck will never be modified like lowering or anything. I have no rubbing and it rides as I think it should. I might add sway bars. Other than that externally I just want it stock.
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Stand on the front bumper!? Well that takes the cake for the simplest thing in the world I had not thought of. I will try that out tonight. But it looks like there is not enough difference either way to be a big deal. I am also going to run an aluminum intake on the 460. But I already have one on the 360. I think in the end I may have over thought this a bit. Which would be my normal operating parameters.
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Anyway don't overthink things about overthinking things..........and be too hard on your self.............I think.......ha.........lol.............ha.......
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I got the impression from their post, that it was a worthwhile upgrade for less money.
And if they are true to their past history, Moog cargo coils (the “CC” in the part number) are a very good value.
If they are still the same as before, they are all variable rate as well. This typically provides the same or better overall weight carrying capacity, but with a softer, initial ride over small bumps.
I put a set for an F100 six cylinder truck (don’t remember the exact number) on my early bronco to get a little bit of a lift without hurting the ride.
Worked every bit as expected.
And if they are true to their past history, Moog cargo coils (the “CC” in the part number) are a very good value.
If they are still the same as before, they are all variable rate as well. This typically provides the same or better overall weight carrying capacity, but with a softer, initial ride over small bumps.
I put a set for an F100 six cylinder truck (don’t remember the exact number) on my early bronco to get a little bit of a lift without hurting the ride.
Worked every bit as expected.
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i do have a sway bar to add yet but haven't made time... likely because i've gotten so much improvement already.
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At $133 when you got yours, that's not a lot of increase from 40+ years ago when I got mine. I think I paid about $75 for the pair in about '82 or so, and used them (hard-ish) for a few years. No dune jumping, but plenty of hard off-road trails.
Had a bit of sag at one point, and got them warrantied and installed the new pair. Used them for awhile too, but eventually up-sized to a 3.5" lift from WH (before I worked there) and still sporting those springs today. Also variable rates...
I really liked the Moog springs, and to this day they were easily the best riding springs in my Bronco's history. Not to mention the least expensive.
I'm much lighter up front than your pickup, but just wanted to relate my experience along with uzikaduzi's.
Paul
Had a bit of sag at one point, and got them warrantied and installed the new pair. Used them for awhile too, but eventually up-sized to a 3.5" lift from WH (before I worked there) and still sporting those springs today. Also variable rates...
I really liked the Moog springs, and to this day they were easily the best riding springs in my Bronco's history. Not to mention the least expensive.
I'm much lighter up front than your pickup, but just wanted to relate my experience along with uzikaduzi's.
Paul
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I put a set of Moog Cargo Coil springs on my '91 F150 about 10 years ago. They lifted the front end slightly (because the stock springs were so sagged) and greatly improved handling / road feel. I liked the Moog Cargo Coils so much that I put a set on my '68 F100 when I swapped the '78 front suspension under it for disk brakes, but I haven't been able to drive that one yet to report on how they feel... I expect they will be similar to the ones on my '91.
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