View Poll Results: Abstinence or no?
Yes, I waited until I got married before I had sex.
24
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Originally posted by drunkenmonk
many birth control failures are due to misuse
condoms burst if you pinch them and weaken the laytex
pills can't work if you forget to take them
I'm not saying birth control is 100%, but operator error does happen
many birth control failures are due to misuse
condoms burst if you pinch them and weaken the laytex
pills can't work if you forget to take them
I'm not saying birth control is 100%, but operator error does happen
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Originally posted by zonkola
The problem is that abstinence until marriage will never be adopted by every single person in society. [snip]
The problem is that abstinence until marriage will never be adopted by every single person in society. [snip]
So what? Not every person uses condoms, the pill, or other forms of BC either. Does that mean we should stop handing them out in schools because not all the kids will use them? (That was tongue in cheek, I don't think they should be passed out in schools regardless, but that's another debate).
We're not talking about limiting everyone's choice to abstinence. It works for those who use it. It works 100%, and it should be seriously discussed as an option alongside all other forms of BC.
Keeping it zipped has other advantages as well:
1. 100% effective at preventing pregnancy
2. 100% effective at preventing STDs
3. Will keep you off the "I was 13 when we had sex, are you my child's daddy?" episode of Maury or Springer.
4. Big help in preventing convictions on rape charges. ("I didn't do it AND you have no evidence that I did.")
5. Prevents girl (or guy) from feeling 'used'.
6. Gives both time to mature until emotionally and fiscally ready to have sex.
7. No daddy's chasing after you with shotguns.
8. Girls don't end up with a reputation of being a tramp.
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Originally posted by 76supercab2
So what? Not every person uses condoms, the pill, or other forms of BC either. Does that mean we should stop handing them out in schools because not all the kids will use them? (That was tongue in cheek, I don't think they should be passed out in schools regardless, but that's another debate).
We're not talking about limiting everyone's choice to abstinence. It works for those who use it. It works 100%, and it should be seriously discussed as an option alongside all other forms of BC.
So what? Not every person uses condoms, the pill, or other forms of BC either. Does that mean we should stop handing them out in schools because not all the kids will use them? (That was tongue in cheek, I don't think they should be passed out in schools regardless, but that's another debate).
We're not talking about limiting everyone's choice to abstinence. It works for those who use it. It works 100%, and it should be seriously discussed as an option alongside all other forms of BC.
The stakes are high, so there should be no shyness about laying out all the facts and options. I hate hearing about girls who got pregnant because they thought they couldn't their first time, or guys who figured they didn't need a condom as long as they pulled out in time. That kind of ignorance is inexcusable and dangerous.
As for making free condoms available, I'm all for it. Just think of how many free condoms could be distributed for the cost of just one single mother on welfare, and how many new unwanted pregnancies might be prevented...
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Whats unbelievable is that the US has the highest percentage of unplanned pregancies in the developed world. Education is the key. Requirering full disclosure of who the father is before welfare benifits are given as well as limiting the amount of benefits to welfare recipiants for having MORE kids they cant afford. If you cant affford one then you damn well cant afford 2 or 3,4,5,6,7,8
Mayby forced norplant implantation untill you can prove you can afford kids in the 1st place.
Harsh? Yes but I don want to pay for someone elses kids.
Mayby forced norplant implantation untill you can prove you can afford kids in the 1st place.
Harsh? Yes but I don want to pay for someone elses kids.
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maybe you should also put the children in foster homes in some instances, then they wouldn't pick up irresponsible ideas about sex from the parents
harsh? well theres more incentive for the parents to find jobs, if they truly love their kids. if they don't truly love the kids they shouldn't have them anyway
I'm not advocating this in all cases, but in cases of obvious leaching off the system
harsh? well theres more incentive for the parents to find jobs, if they truly love their kids. if they don't truly love the kids they shouldn't have them anyway
I'm not advocating this in all cases, but in cases of obvious leaching off the system
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Why not just campaign to outlaw premarital sex since this is the real agenda of many of the anti-abortion forces. The fact that women are in control of who the sleep with and who they have children with and they need not be one in the same is the real problem for many of the "faith afflicted". Premarital sex without social consequences disrupts the former status quo and so new evil has to be attached to it. Since no birth control is 100% effective, threat of unwanted pregnancy with no recourse is just what they have in mind.
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Originally posted by sinjin
Why not just campaign to outlaw premarital sex since this is the real agenda of many of the anti-abortion forces. The fact that women are in control of who the sleep with and who they have children with and they need not be one in the same is the real problem for many of the "faith afflicted". Premarital sex without social consequences disrupts the former status quo and so new evil has to be attached to it. Since no birth control is 100% effective, threat of unwanted pregnancy with no recourse is just what they have in mind.
Why not just campaign to outlaw premarital sex since this is the real agenda of many of the anti-abortion forces. The fact that women are in control of who the sleep with and who they have children with and they need not be one in the same is the real problem for many of the "faith afflicted". Premarital sex without social consequences disrupts the former status quo and so new evil has to be attached to it. Since no birth control is 100% effective, threat of unwanted pregnancy with no recourse is just what they have in mind.
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Originally posted by sinjin
Why not just campaign to outlaw premarital sex since this is the real agenda of many of the anti-abortion forces. The fact that women are in control of who the sleep with and who they have children with and they need not be one in the same is the real problem for many of the "faith afflicted". Premarital sex without social consequences disrupts the former status quo and so new evil has to be attached to it. Since no birth control is 100% effective, threat of unwanted pregnancy with no recourse is just what they have in mind.
Why not just campaign to outlaw premarital sex since this is the real agenda of many of the anti-abortion forces. The fact that women are in control of who the sleep with and who they have children with and they need not be one in the same is the real problem for many of the "faith afflicted". Premarital sex without social consequences disrupts the former status quo and so new evil has to be attached to it. Since no birth control is 100% effective, threat of unwanted pregnancy with no recourse is just what they have in mind.
I'd believe it
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Originally posted by drunkenmonk
so are you suggesting that many of the "faith Afflicted" are basically misogynists who are threatened by women being in control of their sexuality ?
I'd believe it
so are you suggesting that many of the "faith Afflicted" are basically misogynists who are threatened by women being in control of their sexuality ?
I'd believe it
As are Muslims that feel the need to cover their women head to toe and never let them out unescorted..
As are Indians and some Africans who feel the need to "circumsize" their women to prevent them from enjoying sex too much and therefore maybe straying.
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Originally posted by drunkenmonk
so are you suggesting that many of the "faith Afflicted" are basically misogynists who are threatened by women being in control of their sexuality ?
I'd believe it
so are you suggesting that many of the "faith Afflicted" are basically misogynists who are threatened by women being in control of their sexuality ?
I'd believe it
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Originally posted by Mikeman
Might I politely suggest something else? Perhaps the "faith Afflicted" are trying to prevent some of the social ills that plague our country - out of wedlock births, teenage mothers on welfare and the resulting "cycle of poverty", AIDS, other STD's. These social ills are caused by behavior, they don't just happen by themselves. Being a realist, I know that abstinence isn't the only option, but it is the only one that will prevent those things mentioned above.
Might I politely suggest something else? Perhaps the "faith Afflicted" are trying to prevent some of the social ills that plague our country - out of wedlock births, teenage mothers on welfare and the resulting "cycle of poverty", AIDS, other STD's. These social ills are caused by behavior, they don't just happen by themselves. Being a realist, I know that abstinence isn't the only option, but it is the only one that will prevent those things mentioned above.
These social ills are caused by ignorance. Remaining ignorant about sexual realities only contributes to the problems, it does little to solve them. Abstinence results in ignorance.