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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy Dean
Someone else mentioned it, and I went and verified,
A HA!!!

My theory has been proven correct in at least one case.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Waxy
I completely disagree with this quote and everything that pyro_thunder_85 had to say.

WB3,

I would propose the OPPOSITE is true, and I would also suggests that the statistics back it up. The marriages most likely to fail are those that were married young and had no previous sexual experience, "highschool sweethearts" if you will.

Sex is a major part of marriage and two issues arrise when 1 or neither partner has experienced it before marriage

1- Incompatibility- sex isn't black and white, it is VERY grey, meeting in the middle can be very difficult.

2- Grass is greener - one or both will always wonder if the grass is greener, that's human nature, and undeniable.

The longest lasting marriages, in this day and age of quickie divorces (more on that later) are between people who have experienced the full spectrum, learned through experience both about themselves and what they want in a partner, and married on that basis.

Pyro - Somtimes going out for dinner is better than your own cooking, even fast food.

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waxy...

what about:

1) those who are hurt in a sexual relationship and because of that can never fully enjoy the act with a spouse? Those who have decided sex isn't something to enjoy, but is a humilating exprience due to a former significant other. Many people (I would probably have to say specifically ladies) can have big time emotional and some even phsyical consecuences of pre-marital sex.

2) let's flip around the green grass thing...if they don't "experiment" before marriage, then they are less likely to have somebody to compare that partner too. If they have never known anything else, then it would be hard to imagine it getting better wouldn't it? This can have a huge impact on a relationship. If someone is always wondering if they match up to past partners, or if somebody is comparing the things they like (or more importantly don't like) to past partners....it can build resentment (and then there goes the experience for both of them).

why can't it be a learning experience between two people who have never experience it before....is that not more of a special thing between the two? does that not build intimacy and trust more than knowing exactly what you want and when and how?
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 09:57 AM
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No...because I did not listen and believe...I heard and checked myself. I amde my own conclusion to the results. I have tested multile times, under differant circumstances and have thus staed MY hypothesis! I made a scientific observation. You should agree with this Mr Evolution




Fisher, you are correct......
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:00 AM
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Waxy, to your observation I have to call "Bull Puckey" I have come to expect more from you than that unsubstatiated bunch of hooey. Show me statistics that say marriages where both partners had sex proir to marriage are more likely to be an honored lifetime commitment. And as far as them wondering if the grass was greener, why would they if they have grown together and sex is good, actuall the best they ever had. Of course if the woman stays home and watches daytime TV she might have any seed of doubt watered a bit.
Your post sounds more like someone trying to defend his own choices than factual evidence.
I can't even count the number of women that I slept with and I can honestly say it was not conductive to a successful marriage in any way, shape or form. I would never have needed any of those experiences to enjoy great sex with my present wife. Why on earth would I need to have slept around in order to explore the wonders of man and wife becoming one?
I Also I said the marriages were built on a more solid foundation, but I didn't say that sex was all that a marriage is about. Teenage marriages, like any others, fail for a great variety of reasons. And I never specifically labeled teenage marriages. I know of many peopel that married well past their teens that were still virgins or at the least had only copulated with the person that they eventually married. ALL of them are still married. Including most of the younger ones. I am not talking about 16 year olds here. I don't think high school age kids represent a very large number of marriages but I have no proof of that.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy Dean
No...because I did not listen and believe...I heard and checked myself. I amde my own conclusion to the results. I have tested multile times, under differant circumstances and have thus staed MY hypothesis! I made a scientific observation. You should agree with this Mr Evolution
Jimmy,

We're obviously not on the same page here. I'm not attacking you.

My point was that people who have something, will always want to know if the other thing is better. In most cases, as you demonstrate, simply being told is not good enough, people need to experience it for themselves.

I think you're missing the link to sex.

If you've married and have only had one partner, you'll always wonder what you're missing, it MIGHT be better, that's a pretty good reason to want to find out for yourself.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:11 AM
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fisher,

I think you missed the point of the grass is greener thing. It doesn't matter how good or bad it may be, the fact is, as you said, they have nothing to compare it to. How do you actually know whether it's good or bad? If your mom makes what you think is a mean fried chicken, but you'd never had fried chicken anywhere else, how would you actually know whether it was good? You might like it, but someone else's chicken might taste 10 times better to you if you tried it. IMHO, it's human nature to wonder if would be better/worse.

What about:

Those who never experience all that a sexual relationship can be due to lack of knowledge, or the baggage of one or the other person involved? I would also suggest that your point, while not without merit, would apply to a rather small deomgraphic.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:13 AM
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No, I am also trying to point out that it is mearly an Appearance, far from the truth. It is a falesy that your neighbors grass is greener, it just looks that way from where you are sitting, go over there in his shoes and it looks the same way.. just be happy with what ya got cause it ain;t really as good over there......unless over there consist of Shania Twain or Carmen Electra?
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:17 AM
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WB3,

While I'm honoured you hold me in such high regard (do so at your own risk ), I'm actually very lazy.

I have read studies that support exactly what I posted. If there's one thing I don't do on this board, it's talk out my "hooey". I honestly don't have the time to research this for a couple hours and post a few studies that support my post, nor do I have the inclination for that matter. You'll simply have to accept my word on it.

In this type of scenario, as in most anything in the Pig Pen, there is no black and white, and generalizations are dangerous. I'm certainly not saying that the shoe fits for everyone, but I am saying that there is truth in what I posted.

I would point out this too - sex is only part of a maturing process.

It's a cop out I know, but I am at work after all.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Waxy
fisher,

If your mom makes what you think is a mean fried chicken, but you'd never had fried chicken anywhere else, how would you actually know whether it was good? You might like it, but someone else's chicken might taste 10 times better to you if you tried it. IMHO, it's human nature to wonder if would be better/worse.
well...I guess that's the difference in us. If momma cooks good fried chicken and its tasty and good...and I'm satisfied with the chicken she offers, WHY would I want to sample somebody else's chicken fully aware of the fact that it could taste terribly bad (even make me sick) and it would hurt momma's feelings...maybe even to the point of no more chicken....you know when I started this reply I was trying to stay strictly to the food analogy...but man....I can't help but laugh now that I re-read it (not because it doesn't make sense...but we sound like some little junior high boys talking in code about sex)
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Waxy
It's a cop out I know, but I am at work after all.


well...I never...
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:24 AM
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OK, Jimmy, I'll try again.

Did you or did you not check it out for yourself?

You stated that you did.

Now, to follow my analogy.

Man get married as a virgin. He sees beautiful woman that wants him.

He's wondering, "I wonder if she would be better than my wife?"

He asks his buddy who says "No, your wife is great don't do it."

Still, he's not satisfied, he wants to find out for himself.

Thus, you have a cheater.

I'm not saying all men would take a test drive, but the impulse is there.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by fisher_of_man
well...I guess that's the difference in us. If momma cooks good fried chicken and its tasty and good...and I'm satisfied with the chicken she offers, WHY would I want to sample somebody else's chicken fully aware of the fact that it could taste terribly bad (even make me sick) and it would hurt momma's feelings...maybe even to the point of no more chicken....you know when I started this reply I was trying to stay strictly to the food analogy...but man....I can't help but laugh now that I re-read it (not because it doesn't make sense...but we sound like some little junior high boys talking in code about sex)
OK,

Let's extend this a little further. I'm having too much fun with the code talk to stop now.

You turn 18, momma wants you out of the house. Time to spread your wings and fly on your own.

Of course, momma wants what's best for her little sonny. She wants you to find someone that makes a mean fried chicken.

Would momma advise you to buy a lifetime supply of the first chicken you tasted? Or, would she tell you to try a few different kinds of chicken before you settled on the one you liked best and bought a lifetime supply of it? Momma does want you to be happy.

All those restaurants were happy to have the chance to let you sample their wares in hopes they'd get the contract. They've got other customers in line though, so no big deal if they don't get it.

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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:34 AM
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Ok....why are you having sex with your momma in the first place? Wehre do you think we are? ARKANSAS???? Oh...wait....

I do think Waxy that you analogy does not work cause because we where using your momma and her chicken as you wife and her....well sex.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:37 AM
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Ok....why are you having sex with your momma in the first place? Wehre do you think we are? ARKANSAS???? Oh...wait....

I do think Waxy that you analogy does not work cause because we where using your momma and her chicken as you wife and her....well sex.

aghhhhhhhhhhhh ....now I will never eat chicken again!

good point jimmy and until I scrolled down...i was about to snap in with that one....this whole thing has to be scrapped...because by momma...i was thinking you were talking bout your wife...your mom of your house....NOT YOUR ACTUAL MOMMA

no...hopefully your not shopping for the same thing your momma provided for you....man I'm feeling a little woosy.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 10:39 AM
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by the way waxy....

.... you haven't ever been on Jerry Springer have you
 
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