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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by twobelugas
The only place I recall that phrasing is where Ford listing their police vehicle as Special Services Vehicles

https://www.ford.com/police-vehicles/ssv/
The only experience I have with emergency vehicles is our county's 3 ambulance and 1 brush truck. None of those 4 trucks are 7.3l but they do have special service parts listings, just none actually assigned to the vin of those vehicles as the OE fitted part.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
1. So why did all the other engines over the years and years in all those E Series vans did not have lifter failures or increased engine failures compared to those same engines in trucks?
2. The reason the 6.7PSD is not in the E series is simply because it won't fit nor would a 6.4PSD. The reason why the 6.0 PSD was still offered until 2009 because consumer demand wanted a diesel in that application.
Fish, give it up man. You're clearly not a Ford engineer, Ford tech, or anything Ford informed.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
1. So why did all the other engines over the years and years in all those E Series vans did not have lifter failures or increased engine failures compared to those same engines in trucks?
2. The reason the 6.7PSD is not in the E series is simply because it won't fit nor would a 6.4PSD. The reason why the 6.0 PSD was still offered until 2009 because consumer demand wanted a diesel in that application.
How many of those vehicles had roller lifters? The 6.0 did and they WERE an issue. A needle bearing could wipe out the whole engine. The 6.0 was better in the van because those engines were able to drain all of the oil out of the block where the trucks couldn't. The issue would have to be heat related for this to even matter and I highly doubt it is a contributor.

If the 7.3L had half the issues of the 6.0 or 6.4 they would have scrapped it already. 6.0 only made it 4.5 years in pickups and the 6.4 made it 3. 7.3L is working on 5 years in production and not going anywhere anytime soon.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:58 PM
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Fish, give it up man. You're clearly not a Ford engineer, Ford tech, or anything Ford informed.
No I'm not... but it's a simple question that requires a simple answer that you can't provide nor anyone else here. It's speculation at best... Prove me wrong... Ball is in your court!
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 07:06 PM
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Keep the 2017 6.2L. If it is just for a farm there is absolutely no reason to buy a new truck just to stay on the farm. You should get an old brick nose IDI and use that to haul stuff around the farm. My wife's grandpa has a 97 f150 with a v6 he uses to haul cattle to auction with a 2-place trailer within 50 miles. It has almost 200k miles on it and it only leaves the farm 4-5 times/year. Pointless to buy a new truck for that kind of work.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
No I'm not... but it's a simple question that requires a simple answer that you can't provide nor anyone else here. It's speculation at best... Prove me wrong... Ball is in your court!
Guess why the 6.4L and 6.7L dont fit in the E series... didn't have enough room to stack the necessary cooling components in front of the engine.

Yes, ask anyone who actually works on the E series and they'll tell you the 6.8L had heat related valvetrain failures more often than you'd see in the F series.

Anything else I can correct for you seeing as that one Christmas visit with your cousin tech isnt providing valid information?

 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OBS460
How many of those vehicles had roller lifters? The 6.0 did and they WERE an issue. A needle bearing could wipe out the whole engine. The 6.0 was better in the van because those engines were able to drain all of the oil out of the block where the trucks couldn't. The issue would have to be heat related for this to even matter and I highly doubt it is a contributor.

If the 7.3L had half the issues of the 6.0 or 6.4 they would have scrapped it already. 6.0 only made it 4.5 years in pickups and the 6.4 made it 3. 7.3L is working on 5 years in production and not going anywhere anytime soon.
I agree the 6.0PSD had issues with the needle bearings in the lifters regardless if it was in a truck or van, and the 6.0PSD shortcomings were problematic whether it was in a truck or van. Didn't matter. Based on what we're being told the 6.0PSD should have had more failures in the E Series than the trucks.

It's obvious the 7.3 godzilla doesn't or won't have near the problems that the 6.0PSD had and the only way Ford will ditch this engine is the greenies have there way. The 6.0PSD falls into a completely different category of epic fails, but even at that there still was some good ones.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 07:09 PM
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Keep the 2017 6.2L. If it is just for a farm there is absolutely no reason to buy a new truck just to stay on the farm. You should get an old brick nose IDI and use that to haul stuff around the farm. My wife's grandpa has a 97 f150 with a v6 he uses to haul cattle to auction with a 2-place trailer within 50 miles. It has almost 200k miles on it and it only leaves the farm 4-5 times/year. Pointless to buy a new truck for that kind of work.
To late... Traded it for a 2018 3500 DRW Ram Cummins earlier this year.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
Guess why the 6.4L and 6.7L dont fit in the E series... didn't have enough room to stack the necessary cooling components in front of the engine.

Yes, ask anyone who actually works on the E series and they'll tell you the 6.8L had heat related valvetrain failures more often than you'd see in the F series.

Anything else I can correct for you seeing as that one Christmas visit with your cousin tech isnt providing valid information?
Ball is in your court!
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
Ball is in your court!
No one seems to care, except you.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2023 | 07:55 AM
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No one seems to care, except you.
Still waiting... Ball is in your court.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2023 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
Still waiting... Ball is in your court.
I think you're confused, as I don't care. Take your ball and go home.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2023 | 09:32 AM
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Ball? Court? I don't even remember what game we're playing.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2023 | 10:02 AM
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Ball? Court? I don't even remember what game we're playing.
Overheadcram is to provide a simple explanation (That passes the BS filter of course) why the 7.3 fails in commercial applications and I'll quote from Gazzilla "The major of the 7.3 failures that I’ve seen on YouTube and read about have been on F450 and bigger trucks, box trucks and motor homes which all use a different version of the 7.3 and the failure are rare."
 
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Old Jul 18, 2023 | 10:06 AM
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In all seriousness I agree I’m not sure what the game is or who owes someone something here lol.

But I will say I have the 6.7 for my own truck and also have 6.2s & 7.3s in our fleet.

Each has their place. Actually the only trucks that don’t anymore (not to say they’re bad, because they’re rock solid) is the 6.2 trucks now. And that’s only because the 7.3 presents a low key gas option that’s better in every way and just as reliable. So I don’t see the need for 6.2 anymore. But I do see a need for some diesel and some gas trucks still.

Point being is that the 6.7 is a more capable and more enjoyable truck to drive. The feel of the power and the way it moves stuff is unrivaled by its gas counterparts. When I previously said the 7.3 doesn’t tow well that doesn’t mean it can’t tow any kind of weight. They can and I do it with them daily. But relative to another option available (a.k.a. the 6.7) it doesn’t do well. And that’s okay and shouldn’t offend people because it comes with trade-offs (which are worth it to a lot of people).

Point blank the only arena the 7.3 wins is out of warranty cost of maintenance/repair. Which is the only reason it has its place in the fleet. In the weight ranges where it’s capable it’s preferred because it can be had for cheaper. But at a certain point the 6.7 just works better. We tend to tow most trailers over 15k with diesel. Yes I know some kid on YouTube put 56,000-lbs behind a gasser and made it up a hill but I don’t care. Where we operate we have lots of stopping and going and merging into busy highways where the diesel shames the 7.3. So to us we tend to pick the best tool for the job there.

Now, can we stop arguing like the 7.3 is one of the 7 wonders of the world? And opposite to that can we stop pretending like the 6.7 is the only worthwhile truck to drive?

They both have their place in the world or they wouldn’t produce them and people wouldn’t buy them.

you’d think some people have their manhood tied up into their choice of engine with 7.3 guys acting like Jesus himself torqued down the head studs & blessed the crankshaft like it’s some kind of unbeatable combo. Then the 6.7 guys acting like 7.3s just might as well be half ton trucks.

I mean I love good banter and it makes the forum a bit more exciting but it’s cringy how devoted some people get to an engine lol.
 
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