And then there are responses like this with the mentality if it hasn’t happened to me, trivialize others bad experiences. Anybody thought of a common ground and possibly a way to come up with better info? What about survey on the most talked about issues that’s pinned and always open showing real time results? Cp4 would be an obvious survey to start and leave running here. Seems like the 7.3 and lifter issues would be another one. Would be interesting to see the results over time.

 

if you are so interested, feel free to talk to the mods about starting one.

 

According to statistica (data collection site), there are about 300k class 3 trucks built per year. Ford does not break out super duties from their 800k trucks per year but do claim 40% of the market. That would estimate the amount of super duties built per year at around 120k. If I was to guess, I would say 1/2 of the 120k are gas and 1/2 are diesels (again just a guess).

So if they are building 60k gas super duties which maybe 1/2 are 7.3L, then there are 30k 7.3L built per year since 2020. If the failure rate was 10% then there would be 3000 people screaming on the internet. If it was 1% then 300 people screaming about it. Based on my own screening of YouTube, forums, google, etc. I would guess 1% or less.

I have a 7.3L currently in assembly at the Kentucky plant and I'm not worried about it. If I end up in the 1% then it sucks to be me but there are worse things in life.

 

remember that f250s are mostly class 2B with GVWR of 10k or less, and far outnumbers f350s and f450s

 

I also suspect that Ford builds way more 6.7s than 7.3s... now that divide has certainly narrowed in recent years, but it's certainly not 50/50. With the introduction of the 6.8, the 7.3's share of powertrain may be even less.

 

I have a '22 with about 25,000 miles on it and no issues with the engine so far. I do have clunk in the drive line somewhere that still remains a mystery and only part of my rear window defroster works. All in all I like the truck but wish i would've found one (or ordered one) with a lower geared rear end.

 

My opinion on failures is that i need to see an overwhelming amount of issues across forums, fbook, yt etc to start to make the determination that there is a legitimate widespread issue. Like some others have said I would get what you want and if that's the 23' super duty I'd test drive it when you go to get it and if it feels right send it! If not, ram and gm are fine choices also imo.

 

X2. Boy do I remember the chaos of issues with the 6.4, and I lived to regret owning one - it just got worse.I remember running into a gut in a Kentucky campground that asked how I liked my new 2008 6.4. He was devastated when I told him it was the biggest pos I ever bought. I forgot that I was a few miles from the plant. It was not the assembly folks fault - it was management.

Earliest 6.7 sucking valves was no fun either.

The very few issues since just do not have the volume of owners reporting them. That is great news.

Of course, if they did, they would need to wait 8 weeks to get into a dealer only to hear that they could not replicate the problem.

Nothing is trouble free. Hopefully you aren’t the one that gets one of those - it sucks, but no way to predict regardless of mfg.

 

I bought my 21 250 with the 7.3 in March of 2021. I haven't had any issues with the engine at all. I pull a 8k 40ft travel with the bed full of dirt bikes and firewood. I also use it for daily driving. The only complaint I have is the drive line/ trans clunks and has hard shifts when not towing. When towing trans shifts perfect.

 

I think traditionally the diesel was 2/3 and gas 1/3. He had the numbers WAY low though, I think there are least a couple hundred thousand 7.3s on the road by now.

 

2024 order restraints memo floating around says 65% will get diesels for 2024 MY. The 35% is split between 2 gas engines. I think the reason nobody can find a 7.3L for sale anywhere is because people aren't walking away from those orders as much as the 6.7L. Most people RVing aren't die hard brand fans and they will take whatever they can get as long as it's diesel. At least from the SD owners I've talked to pulling RVs. When I tell them I have a gas engine they look at me sideways and then when they ask how it tows and I tell them it tows fine I think they are in disbelief. A gas engine towing a 5th wheel that big and there they are with their diesel towing an 8k lb airstream because they thought why HAD to buy a diesel or they would be turning 4k rpm on the freeway.

 

the reason people aren’t picking up some of their 6.7 orders is a combination of long waits and money. Believe me powerstroke, Cummins and duramax fans are more loyal than you’re portraying in my opinion. But of course money and availability cans way many that’s just obvious.

And they’re in disbelief because the 7.3 doesn’t tow that well. I’m not a diesel bro and I’ve always had gasser trucks until last week. And I used to think the same thing “I haven’t been unable to tow something what do they need diesel for”?

but I’m here to tell you the diesel does it in a much different, more effortless way. It’s like the difference between a v6 mustang and the gt500. Theyll both get you places but none will do it and be more enjoyable. The truth is the gas engines with any weight behind them do rev to the moon to make their power it’s just their nature. And that’s okay because it will get the job done within its limits. I know first hand they will.

but if you had 50 acres to mow are you going to use a push mower just because it can? Sure it can but it won’t be fun and I can think of better equipment to get it done easier.

Life is about making your own decisions and not getting to caught up in someone else’s. it’s funny how these threads always go and regardless of what side of the fence I’m on everyone tries to over compensate to justify their truck. As long as everyone can sleep at night with their choices then I’m okay lol.

yes the diesel has more complexity to it but I won’t be keeping it past warranty if it has issues. I will miss my old truck but not the sluggishness when towing heavier. Plus some of the stuff I’m moving now is beyond the capability of a gasser.

 

Why must every thread discussing the 7.3 turn into a gas vs diesel thread?

 

Oh young grasshopper you're on a truck forum where the testosterone flows freely and everything depends on power and masculinity.

 

D I S ... Diesel insecurity syndrome. They feel the need to justify the massive additional expenditure they made. The whole "rev to the moon" thing is total BS, mostly jealously because if they tried to make their motor sing to 6000 rpm it would come apart spectacularly and cost $25-30k to repair. The notion that running your gas truck isn't as satisfying? Thats bizzarro world to me. I have ALWAYS loved to hear engines wind out through the rpm range. in fact mine will be getting a louder exhaust so I can listen even more clearly. Get your dB meter out and do a comparison. I bet my gas truck pulling a grade loaded at 4000 rpm is quieter than your diesel doing it at 2500. Just a serious lack of intellectual honesty and foolish claims by the D crowd as usual... "doesn't tow that well" was my favorite nugget from that delusional post... yes, it does. I would bet money the guy that posted that hasn't run a 7.3 truck towing to even be qualified to make that claim. Those of us that have them know better and unbenounced to him, LOTs of us came from diesels. I have owned a dozen diesel trucks for work and play over the years. Don't need nor want the hassles or expenses they deny they have.