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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
But I was told everyone is switching from diesel to gas... LOL. And the 6.2 vs 7.3 comparison I found was interesting.

I watched that video along with everything else I could find on the 7.3 before purchasing one; his video was an outlier and one of the very few negative reviews I could find at the time so I gave it the corresponding credibility. I never considered a 6.2 because the 6.2/6spd's performance wasn't close enough to the 7.3/10spd for it to be a serious contender.

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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 02:20 PM
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Don’t confuse me with the facts, I’ve already made up my mind. Everyone should drive a diesel SD whether they need one or not!
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
I believe the differences in RPM in your two trucks is a 6 speed vs a 10 speed transmission. He's essentially saying if he were to go with another gas truck it would be a 6.2

I think his issue with the Tremor is the taller sidewall tires can make the truck feel a bit unstable vs a shorter side wall will make it feel more stable.
The difference in RPM is because it makes more power at a lower RPM not the transmission. An engine requires a certain amount of power to move a load so it will run a specific RPM where it makes enough power to move the load. Put a 7.3 with a 6spd and it will still want to pull the same RPM to move the load. The only difference being a 10spd offers more spots to stay at 1 RPM. You can put a 6.2 in front of a 10R140 and it will still NEED to pull the same RPM to move the same load. Throwing more gears at it won't give it the ability to pull more weight if it doesn't make enough power at 4k rpm to move it but it does at 4500rpm. Throw a gear vendors unit behind the 7.3L with 10r140 and it will still NEED to run the same RPM to move the same load. You can't just add more gears and expect it to move the same load at a lower rpm with less HP and TQ.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GAZZILLA
The major of the 7.3 failures that I’ve seen on YouTube and read about have been on F450 and bigger trucks, box trucks and motor homes which all use a different version of the 7.3 and the failure are rare.

You don’t have to look very hard to find 6.7 Power Stroke failures, they’re common. For whatever reason there’s one or two 6.7 failures a week just on this forum alone. My favorite is the $12k CP4 failure that Ford doesn’t have repair parts for because they’re using every available part for production instead. Nice job of honoring your warranty obligations Ford Motor Company!
What differences are there in the 7.3 that goes into my f-350 and say an E-550 box truck or whatever, are you just referring to the programed governor in the C&C's?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce M.
What differences are there in the 7.3 that goes into my f-350 and say an E-550 box truck or whatever, are you just referring to the programed governor in the C&C's?
I’m not sure what the differences are, but they might have a different cam shaft due to having different power output. Which might have something to do with the cam/lifter failure.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce M.
What differences are there in the 7.3 that goes into my f-350 and say an E-550 box truck or whatever, are you just referring to the programed governor in the C&C's?
No physical parts difference, just programming. Every engine in the E-series platform has had a higher failure rate than the SuperDuty because of cooling restraints.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 03:41 PM
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Haha yeah calm down guys, it's gonna be okay, you'll still get up that hill eventually.
Well when my "hills" are miles long, "eventually" applies to everyone.... My truck has no problem hauling up the hill at the speed limit or above if I so choose. I was passing cars and trucks, at altitude with 10k behind it just a couple weeks ago. My Ram owning friend was along for the ride. He will never buy another diesel after seeing how that "weak" 7.3 performed in the real world.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
No physical parts difference, just programming. Every engine in the E-series platform has had a higher failure rate than the SuperDuty because of cooling restraints.
I assume you mean cooling restrictions? They are programed to restrict the cooling?, Are we sure of this.

 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce M.
I assume you mean cooling restrictions? They are programed to restrict the cooling?, Are we sure of this.
Due to space restraints the cooling suffers. Its not an end of the world or big deal, just the E series with the smaller engine bay has less air moving around it and overheats quicker if something malfunctions or the operator isnt paying attention while under load. E series hardly see the gross weights a SuperDuty does so its not a huge issue.

If youve seen a 6.8L or a 6.0L in an E series it will all make sense. Little more room around the 7.3L but its not much better so I can see the RV crowd burning a few up on their journey. Also the reason why the 6.7L is not offered in the E series per the Ford Cert course ive taken over the years.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 04:04 PM
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I see, that makes more sense. I have to say I'm impressed with how cool my truck runs towing 10K through the hills of NY in the heat, spent most of the time around 195* and just occasionally going over 200*
Anyone know what temp thermostat is in these, gotta be low 190's.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce M.
I see, that makes more sense. I have to say I'm impressed with how cool my truck runs towing 10K through the hills of NY in the heat, spent most of the time around 195* and just occasionally going over 200*
Anyone know what temp thermostat is in these, gotta be low 190's.
195* is the OE default. There is an OE 180* that lists special service. Ill be honest I have no idea what the definition of special service is?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
195* is the OE default. There is an OE 180* that lists special service. Ill be honest I have no idea what the definition of special service is?
Ambulance?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
195* is the OE default. There is an OE 180* that lists special service. Ill be honest I have no idea what the definition of special service is?
The only place I recall that phrasing is where Ford listing their police vehicle as Special Services Vehicles

https://www.ford.com/police-vehicles/ssv/
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
Due to space restraints the cooling suffers. Its not an end of the world or big deal, just the E series with the smaller engine bay has less air moving around it and overheats quicker if something malfunctions or the operator isnt paying attention while under load. E series hardly see the gross weights a SuperDuty does so its not a huge issue.

If youve seen a 6.8L or a 6.0L in an E series it will all make sense. Little more room around the 7.3L but its not much better so I can see the RV crowd burning a few up on their journey. Also the reason why the 6.7L is not offered in the E series per the Ford Cert course ive taken over the years.
1. So why did all the other engines over the years and years in all those E Series vans did not have lifter failures or increased engine failures compared to those same engines in trucks?
2. The reason the 6.7PSD is not in the E series is simply because it won't fit nor would a 6.4PSD. The reason why the 6.0 PSD was still offered until 2009 because consumer demand wanted a diesel in that application.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce M.
Are we sure of this.
No one here is certain of the root cause plain and simple. Case in point, the latest finger pointing is the factory installed the wrong valve springs on the intake vs the exhaust valves in the "7.3 catastrophic engine failure" thread in the 7.3/6.8 forum.
 
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