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Old Mar 3, 2023 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by capt caper
I would think the 6.8 will last longer then the 7.3 and still give plenty of power and torque. Any tuned down motor will.
It may last longer if you consider mileage but time in service may be shorter because of the fleet service and mileage per year.

A detuned motor may not last as long but time will tell. Back in the day I had a few service trucks that came with a 351M and because of the lack of power they didn't last as long as the 400 motors I built to replace them. A 351M was easy to convert to a 400 by replacing the crankshaft and pistons, it's limiting factor was the ability breath.

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Old Mar 3, 2023 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rvpuller
It may last longer if you consider mileage but time in service may be shorter because of the fleet service and mileage per year.

A detuned motor may not last as long but time will tell. Back in the day I had a few service trucks that came with a 351M and because of the lack of power they didn't last as long as the 400 motors I built to replace them. A 351M was easy to convert to a 400 by replacing the crankshaft and pistons, it's limiting factor was the ability breath.

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ford’s 2023 literature says the 6.8 has a higher compression rate than the 7.3. I’m not sure if/what retuning would be since with a smaller displacement the specific output of the two are quite close.

then we have the issues rumored to have been due to the tune on 7.3 used on motor homes, RVs, cutaways, and outfitted trucks. Some say it’s a breaking in issue being used hard since day one, but I can’t see ford not taking that into account when designing a motor specifically designed to replace the 6.8 v10 used in motor homes and commercial applications.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2023 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by twobelugas
ford’s 2023 literature says the 6.8 has a higher compression rate than the 7.3. I’m not sure if/what retuning would be since with a smaller displacement the specific output of the two are quite close.

then we have the issues rumored to have been due to the tune on 7.3 used on motor homes, RVs, cutaways, and outfitted trucks. Some say it’s a breaking in issue being used hard since day one, but I can’t see ford not taking that into account when designing a motor specifically designed to replace the 6.8 v10 used in motor homes and commercial applications.
What issues are you referring too? The only issue that I have knowledge of is the lifter delamination. And I personally don't necessarily don't think this is just a Ford issue. Meaning a design of lack of testing/engineering on Fords part. From what I understand, for the past few years there has been a widespread lifter issue among all engine builders, I don't know if anyone else here follows Keith Ellison on YouTube, his channel is Ellison's Machine Shop and Ellison's Machine Shop - Your Engine Guy. He has published several videos talking about this issue. I can't help but wonder if this isn't what's going on with the 7.3.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2023 | 08:45 AM
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I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same lifter used by different manufacturers. No matter the make of vehicle, lots of part suppliers actually make the parts for the rigs we buy. Besides a few things, Ford, GM, Chrysler are designers/assemblers
 
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Old Apr 1, 2023 | 12:39 PM
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Transmissions; The 10r140 for the 6.7 and 7.3 only difference I've seen published is 4 sun gears in the 6.7 version and 3 in the 7.3 ..
I wonder if the 10r100 is the same case with lighter shafts and gears ?? Which makes sense to Me with some shared parts to keep
cost down .. More units less cost per unit ??
I think Ford is getting ready for a future gas engine power/torque competition with the 7.3 .. Like the Diesel engines over the last
20+ years .. The spread between the 6.8 and 7.3 will increase year to year ..
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 04:37 PM
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I suspect the 6.8L with the 10R100 will prove to be a reliable and sufficient combination especially considering this combo will be used by most cost-conscious Fleet and commercial customers.

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This is why I didn't have a problem ordering an XL. Unfortunately, my transmission failed after eight days and 1,100 miles of ownership. It's been stuck at the dealership ever since, entering its seventh week now. I just joined the forum to see if any others are having the same experience. I'm really hoping I just got the one in a million bad one.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hikeric
This is why I didn't have a problem ordering an XL. Unfortunately, my transmission failed after eight days and 1,100 miles of ownership. It's been stuck at the dealership ever since, entering its seventh week now. I just joined the forum to see if any others are having the same experience. I'm really hoping I just got the one in a million bad one.
Your 10R100 failed by 1100 miles?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 06:30 PM
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Your 10R100 failed by 1100 miles?
Yep, eight days in. It's still sitting at the dealership after seven weeks. It was a grand total of eight weeks and a day from the time I ordered to the delivery date, so after next week it will have taken more time to fix it than to have another one built. Needless to say I'm not too happy.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hikeric
Yep, eight days in. It's still sitting at the dealership after seven weeks. It was a grand total of eight weeks and a day from the time I ordered to the delivery date, so after next week it will have taken more time to fix it than to have another one built. Needless to say I'm not too happy.
I would be pissed too
 
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I was looking at F250 XL plus package truck? Had the 6.8L engine but never considered what transmission it was......... guess I will have to look again. Chebby dealer had the same truck 2500 WT 6.6L gasser that came in at 50K but added $5,000 market adjustment making it 55k. Repo's are at a all-time market high right now. Probably keep driving my 03 and let this market flush itself out.

Never paying for dealer adjustments and add on garbage.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2023 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxium4x4
I was looking at F250 XL plus package truck? Had the 6.8L engine but never considered what transmission it was......... guess I will have to look again. Chebby dealer had the same truck 2500 WT 6.6L gasser that came in at 50K but added $5,000 market adjustment making it 55k. Repo's are at a all-time market high right now. Probably keep driving my 03 and let this market flush itself out.

Never paying for dealer adjustments and add on garbage.
Just bought last month. Dealer adjustments should never be paid. They do because people just got to have it. Had to go 6 hours away to find one they would deal on.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2023 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxium4x4
I was looking at F250 XL plus package truck? Had the 6.8L engine but never considered what transmission it was......... guess I will have to look again. Chebby dealer had the same truck 2500 WT 6.6L gasser that came in at 50K but added $5,000 market adjustment making it 55k. Repo's are at a all-time market high right now. Probably keep driving my 03 and let this market flush itself out.

Never paying for dealer adjustments and add on garbage.
Yeah I would have preferred the 7.3 just for the more robust transmission, but unfortunately you can't spec the XL Off Road package with the 7.3. Plus if you wanted the 7.3 in XL trim you had to spec the STX package, which made it more expensive than just getting an XLT. I don't really understand why the 6.8 exists at all when it's only available in the most basic of trucks, but nonetheless I assumed it would be a quality combination based on the level of abuse most basic trucks come to expect.
It's really too bad it failed so catastrophically. I love the truck I ordered but now I'm really questioning if I should have gone a different direction.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2023 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hikeric
Yeah I would have preferred the 7.3 just for the more robust transmission, but unfortunately you can't spec the XL Off Road package with the 7.3. Plus if you wanted the 7.3 in XL trim you had to spec the STX package, which made it more expensive than just getting an XLT. I don't really understand why the 6.8 exists at all when it's only available in the most basic of trucks, but nonetheless I assumed it would be a quality combination based on the level of abuse most basic trucks come to expect.
It's really too bad it failed so catastrophically. I love the truck I ordered but now I'm really questioning if I should have gone a different direction.
First model year anything is always a complete gamble. Sorry to hear of your troubles. Don't feel bad though, the 10R140 had its share of problems in 2020 leading into 2021. None of my customers have the 6.8L/10R100 combo yet but within the next year or two ill be seeing plenty of them and whatever introductory issues they actually have.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2023 | 08:16 PM
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You're so right about the first-year issues, but unfortunately my timing was awful and I didn't have a choice.
 
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Originally Posted by hikeric
Yeah I would have preferred the 7.3 just for the more robust transmission, but unfortunately you can't spec the XL Off Road package with the 7.3. Plus if you wanted the 7.3 in XL trim you had to spec the STX package, which made it more expensive than just getting an XLT. I don't really understand why the 6.8 exists at all when it's only available in the most basic of trucks, but nonetheless I assumed it would be a quality combination based on the level of abuse most basic trucks come to expect.
It's really too bad it failed so catastrophically. I love the truck I ordered but now I'm really questioning if I should have gone a different direction.
I have the 6.8 in an XL with the STX package and it was cheaper than the 7.3 in the XL without any package. It got me what I needed and the sync system I wanted.
 
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